Only thing that helps for me is zoplikon. But i dont want to recomend IT because its hard to stop taking IT.
I would recommend Trazodone
Have you tried going to bed early, if you are not in bed by 9-10pm it is very difficult to fall asleep under PFS. Try to experiment for a few weeks even earlier like 5, 6, 7pm
Go to a sleep specialist, you might have sleep apnea
Sleep apnea has nothing to do with PFS-related insomnia. I had sleep apnea before using Fin and before PFS, but never had anything close to insomnia. However, insomnia was my first PFS side effect and one that is still with me, 5 years post-crash.
I’ve seen 2 different sleep specialists and started using a CPAP for my apnea 4 years ago, and still deal with insomnia and early-morning awakening to this day.
That’s interesting someone also uses low dose clonazepam with melatonin and another benzo. Unfortunately I have not yet had access to zopiclone which j hope to be a helpful tool
I’m going to try gabitril /tiagabine. Anyone tried it??
Pretty shit scared tbh
I tried a lot of stuff already and only benzos work so far althugh still quite unacceptably, so I thought I’d ask for tiagabine
5htp and l-tryptophan helped me a bit. I would try it.
Valerian helps me too
and exercise … running / weights / swimming
and cold shower before bed
Right now I’m taking Acetyl Glutathione which allows me to wake up feeling refreshed and without headaches and once in a while Choline Inositol and Tyrosine which seems to cause vivid dreams. PFS did a lot of damage and we need to sleep 9 hours a night for many weeks preferably at the correct time (waking up in the morning as nature intended)
I rotate numerous sleep aids to avoid addiction. My sleep is quite good now
-phenibut twice a week (very effective)
-clonazepam once or twice a week (knocks you right out),
-zopiclone twice a week (very effective),
-noble kava anytime (effective)
I also take magnesium and sometimes melatonin in addition although they are not necessary with clonazepam since it is very strong
Hey there. I’ve posted quite a bit about my insomnia. (I stopped sleeping TOTALLY for 1.4 years).
https://forum.propeciahelp.com/t/methyl-steroids-and-or-time-luck-100-cured-my-sexual-probs/9416
- Ignore all the garbage posts (ex. zinc(!?))
- The very expensive new sleeping pill Balsomra has helped me considerably.
- Working out INTENSELY after 9pm for 30 minutes plus Balsomra puts me into “heavy rest/some sleep” for 7 hours.
- In the past these worked well:
doxepin 50mg
mirtazapine/remeron 30mg
nortryptaline100mg
I frequently use Clonazepam and/or oxazepam. I keep coming back to those because they are efficient. Just remember to keep dosage as small and infrequent as possible.
Zopiclone was pretty good when it worked but the it didn’t really last.
Tiagabine didn’t work for sleep either.
Try a 3 months cycle of clomiphene (25mg/day) and anastrozole (0,25mg/day) to fix hormone imbalance.
Then before go to bed take lorazepam (1,25mg) and oxatomide (30mg).
You should have very good sleep (8 hours) without interruptions.
With this protocol I have never developed dark circles under eyes.
Good luck man and stay strong. You are not alone.
P.S. When you stop anastrozole (0,25mg/day), you have to follow this regimen to avoid side effects.
Day N 0,25mg
Day N+1 Nothing
Day N+2 0,25mg
Day N+3 Nothing
Day N+4 0,25mg
Day N+5 Nothing
Day N+6 Nothing
Day N+7 0,25mg
Stop.
I took Zolpidem (sold under the brand name Ambien, among others) for almost 2 years every night. That helped me fall asleep and stay asleep when I initially had insomnia. Interestingly, after about 2 years I noticed being tired in the evening, then taking zolpidem, and being wide awake again (the effect got reversed). I then quit, and have been able to sleep without any meds since. Sleep quality is far from great (wake up multiple times at night), but I can sleep since many years now.
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Baclofen helps me a lot with sleep quality, although I use it as sparingly as possible. IME I’ve been able to stay asleep for longer with this, and the quality seems better which is unsurprising considering the literature on the effects of Baclofen on deep sleep.
yeah i read baclofene is successfully used in france in alc withdrawls and theoretically might be helpful in benzo withdrawls too. but its action is on GABAb, like the phenibut ,right? does it increase deep sleep?
because my sleep architekture feels so fucked up from the depression and the zopiclone i look and feel like a zombie.
where did you get yours from?
slight improvement for sleep i get from ashvagandha 2 tablespoons prior to bed. passiflora works well too. ironically monster-energry drinks with a very bad reputation used in the morning improved my sleep.they contain taurin,niacinamid and crucial b vitamins though 
valerian root sucked for me and skyrockets my liver enzymes. melatonin improves sleep quality but is it safe in the long run? its controversal whether it reduces testosterone.
So Phenibut acts on GABA-B but also as a gabapentoid, I think the current view is that it’s more similar to Gabapentin/Pregabalin than Baclofen. I think you should give Gabapentin a go, and if that doesn’t help, Baclofen’s worth considering. As I mentioned earlier, according to literature they both increase deep sleep/slow wave sleep. Let us know how you get on, good luck!
For my experience, stop in taking the poison does help a lot of insomnia. besides, I take some supplements like calcium, zinc and magnesium everyday. I think the most important factor is “you should forget the pressure in work and life”. This can help a lot in sleep. However, I still have joint pain and feel exhaust even stopped in taking the poison. I do think that the side effect is different from different people.
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Yeah. I’m agree with @ohmygod88.
I have stopped the drug about 2 years ago.
At first I couldn’t sleep more than 3-4 hours and I had a lot of interruptions during sleep.
Now I can finally sleep well.
I sleep 9-10 hours every night without interruptions.
At the time I don’t use any particular drugs.
Hi, are you still using this sleep routine/protocol?
Where do you get your phenibut from? How many milligrams of clonazepam are you taking?