I think I have found one of the culprits of PFS

[onlyhope]

There are 2 side effects we people suffer here

1. mental – i think i have found out why we get mental side effects
2. sexual

I strongly believe our mental side effects are because of the auto-immune reaction going on in our body
It seems propecia somehow stresses our immune system so much that it can’t get back on it’s own
There is ‘something’ that is stressing our immune system.that ‘something’ i believe has been trigerred by propecia in our body(low vit D??)
Read here to see what happens if our immune system is constantly stressed
orbisvitae.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3775

Many of us have experienced the 7 day cycles,where in for 7 days we feel better/for 14 days we feel better and we crash
The 7-day immune system bio-rhythm has been explained here
abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2010/2871586.htm

so our immune system is stressed for long periods of time,in the above articles they mentioned that our body will experience an auto-immune disorder where in our immune system gets confused by our own organs and starts attacking them.

Thats exactly why we feel worse every going day with the sideeffects
More irritated,more tired and all the more side effects caused by organs under stress(thyroid disorder,adrenal problems and more).As time goes by we feel that our sideeffects have increased exponentially as immune system keeps messing with our organs…testes,thyroid,adrenal…

So,what causes immune system disorder?
our immune system sees our body organs as foreign because of ‘toxins’ and start attacking them

How to stop this?

Please read all these articles

drhyman.com/how-to-stop-attacking-yourself-9-steps-to-heal-autoimmune-disease-1778/
drhyman.com/autoimmune-disease-stop-your-body-from-attacking-itself-80/
drhyman.com/is-there-a-cure-for-autoimmune-disease-2435/

–going out – will update in a while----

Please post your comments

[bluecloud87]

This has been discussed frequently over the last few months

JN and JG are both seeing Dr. Emerson who’s treatment covers this type of thing

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2261&start=800

Myself and other members of this forum are using ‘low dose naltrexone’ which is used to treat autoimmune disorders such as MS and CFS

lowdosenaltrexone.org/ldn_and_ai.htm

antiaging-systems.com/113-naltrexone

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Not a bad theory in my opinion. Around the time that i crashed i was traveling to different countries, i was going through a period of stress/ anxiety and a number of skin conditions appeared just before and after my post finasterie crash. These things always make me think of the immune system.

If you believe in this theory then the best you can do is find a good doctor like Emerson to carry out a thorough investigation into your nutrition, allergies, hormones - everything. And also live extremely healthily. That is literally the best you can do because this stuff is extremely complicated and science/ doctors barely know anything about the immune system.

Do you have anymore links/ information on the immune system biorhythm?

[tim1911]

Your links are all spam.

[onlyhope]

@tim1911

Your links are all spam.

I am disappointed dude…seriously…

[onlyhope]

I strongly feel i suffer from an auto-immune disorder as I have gotten lot better by restricting sugar,gluten and diary products from my diet.

Right now i am able to concentrate all day with out getting tired,and sleep well
(1 month prior my adrenal fatigue was so severe i had a hard time sleeping at night and felt tired during day)

I am also detoxifying my body using ‘ENDOCRINE DISRUPTOR RELIEF’ - VITANICA

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Thats why many people don’t feel any better my supplementing by hormones and all because immune system keeps fucking our body organs,so our body organs goes in to a wear and tear mode.
All we have to do is stop the auto-immune reaction

[onlyhope]

hey JN
For godssake stop taking all the pharmaceuticals products as they just try to hide the symptoms and not treat the cause.
(lots of people have posted in this forum ibuprofen helps them a lot)
Ibuprofen is an anti-inflammatory drug which gives us relief from the auto-immune inflammation

Auto-immune reaction’s cause seems to be the ‘toxins’ in our body…and lots of them like mercury,aluminium,lead and what not…The immune system gets confuses because of the toxins in the organs and starts thinking them as foreign and attacks them.

I think it was ‘cdnuts’ who has gotten lot better by following long water fasts and raw diet as body cleansed itself of all the toxins and auto-immune disorder stopped.He also took ‘Vit D’ which is good for the immune system.

This is what i am going currently.
1)Take 60,000 IU of vit D every week
2) De-Toxify – right now i am using endocrine disruptor relief from vitanica
I am planning to take (renewlife.com/heavy-metal-cleanse.html) which ‘joetz’ has taken with
positive results
3) stop eating gluten,sugar and diary products as they increase bad bacteria in the gut

I am even planning to take a probiotic to help with the gut issues

I have been feeling lot better by following 3 steps

@bluecloud87

This has been discussed frequently over the last few months

JN and JG are both seeing Dr. Emerson who’s treatment covers this type of thing

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2261&start=800

Myself and other members of this forum are using ‘low dose naltrexone’ which is used to treat autoimmune disorders such as MS and CFS

lowdosenaltrexone.org/ldn_and_ai.htm

antiaging-systems.com/113-naltrexone

---

Not a bad theory in my opinion. Around the time that i crashed i was traveling to different countries, i was going through a period of stress/ anxiety and a number of skin conditions appeared just before and after my post finasterie crash. These things always make me think of the immune system.

If you believe in this theory then the best you can do is find a good doctor like Emerson to carry out a thorough investigation into your nutrition, allergies, hormones - everything. And also live extremely healthily. That is literally the best you can do because this stuff is extremely complicated and science/ doctors barely know anything about the immune system.

Do you have anymore links/ information on the immune system biorhythm?

[tim1911]

@onlyhope

@tim1911

Your links are all spam.

I am disappointed dude…seriously…

Lol, why? Theres about 4 threads on this already, and to my knowledge the only ones backed up by scientific studies are the ones i started. This thread to be honest is a joke.

Try reading a little of the forum before you start this uneducated kindergarton posting.

[Size=4]Dude!!![/size]

[komas]

@onlyhope

hey JN
For godssake stop taking all the pharmaceuticals products as they just try to hide the symptoms and not treat the cause.
(lots of people have posted in this forum ibuprofen helps them a lot)
Ibuprofen is an anti-inflammatory drug which gives us relief from the auto-immune inflammation

Auto-immune reaction’s cause seems to be the ‘toxins’ in our body…and lots of them like mercury,aluminium,lead and what not…The immune system gets confuses because of the toxins in the organs and starts thinking them as foreign and attacks them.

I think it was ‘cdnuts’ who has gotten lot better by following long water fasts and raw diet as body cleansed itself of all the toxins and auto-immune disorder stopped.He also took ‘Vit D’ which is good for the immune system.

This is what i am going currently.
1)Take 60,000 IU of vit D every week
2) De-Toxify – right now i am using endocrine disruptor relief from vitanica
I am planning to take (renewlife.com/heavy-metal-cleanse.html) which ‘joetz’ has taken with
positive results
3) stop eating gluten,sugar and diary products as they increase bad bacteria in the gut

I am even planning to take a probiotic to help with the gut issues

I have been feeling lot better by following 3 steps

Hey onlyhope,

I hope your regimen yields good results for you. I’m glad that you’re feeling better already! Have you been exercising as well?

Regards,

[bryce54]

tim doesn’t know what he’s talking about

komas, i agree with you, but the exact mechanisms going on is very confusing and i can’t find out WHY it’s happening.

komas, i recommend you get an IgG food anti body test. it will tell you all your food allergies. i got it and i was allergic to gluten, sugar, all dairy, bunch of other stuff. this could be what is weighing down your immune system.

i think whats happening is that finasteride somehow did a combination or some of these things:

it either upset the balance of DHT and the DHT receptors and our body never readjusted to it, so when we feed our body certain things, it is doing too much or too little of something

finasteride upset the metabolism of DHT/other hormones that play a part in our problem (this one makes sense to me because when i eat food like you, sugar gluten dairy, my problems get worse, but only for my penis then it moves on to sleep issues, muscle twitching, etc)

we have leaky gut attacking specifically DHT/other hormone in our body (not sure how this works)

finasteride caused an allergic reaction to DHT/other hormones

komas, i’m so happy you made this post because it shows that i am not alone in my thoughts. auto immune diseases are widely considered diet related and when i eat only vegetables, fish, and stuff i’m not allergic too, plus add vit d3, cod liver oil (not capsules), digetive enzymes/probiotics, my hair falls out like freaking wild fire. like my head gets so itchy, i can’t handle it, it feels like bugs are in there. i think i’m reactivating my DHT, but i always cheat my diet (then the hairloss stops)… so i’m trying to stay on it hardcore for now and see what happens… i know for a fact that eating bad foods over a period of time makes my penis go numb slowly… sticking to this diet brings back sensitivity (not 100% sure of good/bad of probiotics/digestive enzymes… it could cause some bad effects, but it makes my hair fall out like crazy)

we are on the right track… but finding the mechanisms may be damn near impossible since no research into this random disease.

i just want to say, vit d is huge in this, same with cod liver oil and digestive enzymes. only when i added digestive enzymes did my hair fall out like crazy, never before that.

tell me what you think

also, when i start walking, it starts my hair itchiness too… i try to do 30min-1 hour per day, this really helps a lot as well…

i basically see my hair falling out/getting super itchy as a really good thing

[komas]

@bryce54

tim doesn’t know what he’s talking about

komas, i agree with you, but the exact mechanisms going on is very confusing and i can’t find out WHY it’s happening.

komas, i recommend you get an IgG food anti body test. it will tell you all your food allergies. i got it and i was allergic to gluten, sugar, all dairy, bunch of other stuff. this could be what is weighing down your immune system.

i think whats happening is that finasteride somehow did a combination or some of these things:

it either upset the balance of DHT and the DHT receptors and our body never readjusted to it, so when we feed our body certain things, it is doing too much or too little of something

finasteride upset the metabolism of DHT/other hormones that play a part in our problem (this one makes sense to me because when i eat food like you, sugar gluten dairy, my problems get worse, but only for my penis then it moves on to sleep issues, muscle twitching, etc)

we have leaky gut attacking specifically DHT/other hormone in our body (not sure how this works)

finasteride caused an allergic reaction to DHT/other hormones

komas, i’m so happy you made this post because it shows that i am not alone in my thoughts. auto immune diseases are widely considered diet related and when i eat only vegetables, fish, and stuff i’m not allergic too, plus add vit d3, cod liver oil (not capsules), digetive enzymes/probiotics, my hair falls out like freaking wild fire. like my head gets so itchy, i can’t handle it, it feels like bugs are in there. i think i’m reactivating my DHT, but i always cheat my diet (then the hairloss stops)… so i’m trying to stay on it hardcore for now and see what happens… i know for a fact that eating bad foods over a period of time makes my penis go numb slowly… sticking to this diet brings back sensitivity (not 100% sure of good/bad of probiotics/digestive enzymes… it could cause some bad effects, but it makes my hair fall out like crazy)

we are on the right track… but finding the mechanisms may be damn near impossible since no research into this random disease.

i just want to say, vit d is huge in this, same with cod liver oil and digestive enzymes. only when i added digestive enzymes did my hair fall out like crazy, never before that.

tell me what you think

also, when i start walking, it starts my hair itchiness too… i try to do 30min-1 hour per day, this really helps a lot as well…

i basically see my hair falling out/getting super itchy as a really good thing

Hey Bryce,

I think you might have meant to address your post to onlyhope as he’s the one who started this thread.

I think there’s some merit to the ideas here but like you noted the fundamental complexity and dare I say “mysteriousness” of this condition makes it difficult to say anything for sure. It looks like you’ve honed in on things that work to ameliorate your situation. That’s awesome. One advice I could offer re: the strict diet is to go hardcore 6 days a week and allow yourself some latitude to cheat a little one day (don’t go nuts though haha)… I’ve used this strategy successfully while cutting up and it’s always worked to keep me honest as far as diet goes.

Keep on trucking my man!

[tim1911]

@bryce54

tim doesn’t know what he’s talking about

Here are three threads on this already :

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5550

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4869

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5460

Not to mention this on one which shows what happens in ms, an auto immune disease which has been proven that patients have low levels of the immuno suppressive allopregnenolone, the same nuerosteroid finasteride interupts:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5733

And this one that presents the idea that the immune system is attacking either testosterone, 5ar2 or dht, dht and 5ar2, are of course inhibited by finasteride :

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5589

Bryce you are so simple and keep proving it.

But go on guys base your “theories” on spam, its a great look for the forum.

[bryce54]

@tim1911

@bryce54

tim doesn’t know what he’s talking about

Here are three threads on this already :

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5550

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4869

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5460

Not to mention this on one which shows what happens in ms, an auto immune disease which has been proven that patients have low levels of the immuno suppressive allopregnenolone, the same nuerosteroid finasteride interupts:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5733

And this one that presents the idea that the immune system is attacking either testosterone, 5ar2 or dht, dht and 5ar2, are of course inhibited by finasteride :

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5589

Bryce you are so simple and keep proving it.

But go on guys base your “theories” on spam, its a great look for the forum.

Yawn. None of those theories label as food as a direct trigger of helping suppress/exacerbate the issue. Read my signature.

[bryce54]

@komas

@bryce54

tim doesn’t know what he’s talking about

komas, i agree with you, but the exact mechanisms going on is very confusing and i can’t find out WHY it’s happening.

komas, i recommend you get an IgG food anti body test. it will tell you all your food allergies. i got it and i was allergic to gluten, sugar, all dairy, bunch of other stuff. this could be what is weighing down your immune system.

i think whats happening is that finasteride somehow did a combination or some of these things:

it either upset the balance of DHT and the DHT receptors and our body never readjusted to it, so when we feed our body certain things, it is doing too much or too little of something

finasteride upset the metabolism of DHT/other hormones that play a part in our problem (this one makes sense to me because when i eat food like you, sugar gluten dairy, my problems get worse, but only for my penis then it moves on to sleep issues, muscle twitching, etc)

we have leaky gut attacking specifically DHT/other hormone in our body (not sure how this works)

finasteride caused an allergic reaction to DHT/other hormones

komas, i’m so happy you made this post because it shows that i am not alone in my thoughts. auto immune diseases are widely considered diet related and when i eat only vegetables, fish, and stuff i’m not allergic too, plus add vit d3, cod liver oil (not capsules), digetive enzymes/probiotics, my hair falls out like freaking wild fire. like my head gets so itchy, i can’t handle it, it feels like bugs are in there. i think i’m reactivating my DHT, but i always cheat my diet (then the hairloss stops)… so i’m trying to stay on it hardcore for now and see what happens… i know for a fact that eating bad foods over a period of time makes my penis go numb slowly… sticking to this diet brings back sensitivity (not 100% sure of good/bad of probiotics/digestive enzymes… it could cause some bad effects, but it makes my hair fall out like crazy)

we are on the right track… but finding the mechanisms may be damn near impossible since no research into this random disease.

i just want to say, vit d is huge in this, same with cod liver oil and digestive enzymes. only when i added digestive enzymes did my hair fall out like crazy, never before that.

tell me what you think

also, when i start walking, it starts my hair itchiness too… i try to do 30min-1 hour per day, this really helps a lot as well…

i basically see my hair falling out/getting super itchy as a really good thing

Hey Bryce,

I think you might have meant to address your post to onlyhope as he’s the one who started this thread.

I think there’s some merit to the ideas here but like you noted the fundamental complexity and dare I say “mysteriousness” of this condition makes it difficult to say anything for sure. It looks like you’ve honed in on things that work to ameliorate your situation. That’s awesome. One advice I could offer re: the strict diet is to go hardcore 6 days a week and allow yourself some latitude to cheat a little one day (don’t go nuts though haha)… I’ve used this strategy successfully while cutting up and it’s always worked to keep me honest as far as diet goes.

Keep on trucking my man!

hey komas,

lol man, my mistake. and thanks for the tip about being able to cheat one day. i might take that up this week. ill probably hit up the buffet on my one cheat day… food has never been so amazing after being on no carb diet and hitting up the buffet… no comparison.

[onlyhope]

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[onlyhope]

@tim1911

@onlyhope

@tim1911

Your links are all spam.

I am disappointed dude…seriously…

Lol, why? Theres about 4 threads on this already, and to my knowledge the only ones backed up by scientific studies are the ones i started. This thread to be honest is a joke.

Try reading a little of the forum before you start this uneducated kindergarton posting.

[Size=4]Dude!!![/size]

Dude…you must be a genius…whats your IQ? 10? 15?
wow…you are smarter than my dog

you should have participated in the discussion rather than saying crying out ‘spam’
i haven’t read any of your posts…but have you ever mentioned the 7-day immune system bio rythym ?

I have logically explained you how it all happens…you have been a jerk

[tim1911]

Have fun guys.

[martinM]

@onlyhope

you should have participated in the discussion rather than saying crying out ‘spam’
i haven’t read any of your posts…but have you ever mentioned the 7-day immune system bio rythym ?

Onlyhope your links are at best something that could be called “consumer education” if not spam, every one of these sites was selling something. i also find it suspect that the doctor’s name in the second thread just happens to be the same as that of a part of the female reproductive system. Please be careful when you’re vetting your sources.

Please do a search before posting a new thread. The above posters are correct, this topic has been visited before.

[onlyhope]

@martinM

@onlyhope

you should have participated in the discussion rather than saying crying out ‘spam’
i haven’t read any of your posts…but have you ever mentioned the 7-day immune system bio rythym ?

Onlyhope your links are at best something that could be called “consumer education” if not spam, every one of these sites was selling something. i also find it suspect that the doctor’s name in the second thread just happens to be the same as that of a part of the female reproductive system. Please be careful when you’re vetting your sources.

Please do a search before posting a new thread. The above posters are correct, this topic has been visited before.

The page where the doctors told the 7-day immune system rythym can help them give the patients targeted chemotherapy on particular days is what i found really insightful

[komas]

@bryce54

hey komas,

lol man, my mistake. and thanks for the tip about being able to cheat one day. i might take that up this week. ill probably hit up the buffet on my one cheat day… food has never been so amazing after being on no carb diet and hitting up the buffet… no comparison.

Hahaha… go easy on the buffets big guy!