Gaming helps alleviate some of my sides? I think

Personally I second what sibelio says
This whole thing is getting stupid
No offense but it’s hardly productive and threads like this wipe out the seriousness of our condition and create the hypochondriac accusations …
Sorry but come on guys threads like this are what made me hold off joining this forum for years when your in a shite situation the last thing you need is crazy talk.
If you like gaming fare enough but surely you can see my point.

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What a load of Bullshit man.

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Hey I didn’t mean to offend or create controversy. I’m sorry guys… I just mentioned something I noticed and I guess I dont have that severe side effects or Anehdonia to begin with. It helps me to do something I love and it takes my mind off my sides and makes me feel good. I just thought it could work for everyone.

It doesn’t necesarly have to be gaming, just a hobby or something. Sorry if I have offended or upset anyone :(:pensive::pensive:

P.S I DEFINETELY didn’t mean it as a joke

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Just a note to remember PFS is not a universal experience in site or severity of symptoms between sufferers. There’s an absolutely enormous variation in what @scotsman pretty accurately called an “unlucky dip”, and just as it can be hard for those on the milder side to understand the extremity of some cases, it can equally be so for the opposite. I know you’re badly affected @Sibelio, but I don’t think it’s productive to take out frustration on those who may find their sides more readily affected or indeed alleviated by certain things, or like in this case are just wondering if something is a coincidence. @Pete1989 said something that I was really pleased to read to a new user the other day: People here offer support without judgement. I feel that’s great work on the part of this community and is a much better direction.

The author is new and I’m not even sure he’s aware of the disabling anhedonia or cognitive issues that prevent people playing. His topic did not assert anything (as many do), and even asked question if it was in his head. I see no reason why this isn’t a fair thing for him to ask or share and certainly doesn’t somehow invalidate the more severe effects of PFS experienced by others.

Don’t worry, @canabis. Don’t think this is a bad subject matter at all. Just a personal thought unless you wanted to keep it specific: It may be worth considering editing the topic and making the title something like experience with gaming after PFS for a more productive place to talk about this more broadly if you felt like it, as, as you say for those able I am aware it takes their mind off it. I was super pleased @Tzinkman has been able to pass the time a bit better by gaming lately, for instance. Equally, @Invictus’s experience with RDR2 mirrors my own, sadly!

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If only it was as easy as playing games to cure my frequent urination, incontinence, chronic aches, Peyronies, nodules on my liver/thickened wall, and digestive issues…

Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad you found a way to alleviate your symptoms. The only thing I didn’t like was it made PFS seem like no big deal when some of us are suffering badly and are actually considering suicide if things don’t improve or get worse. Also I play games regularly and it has had no such effect. So that’s why I thought this thread was a troll.

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I’m sorry to hear that man… I know some are affected far more and I did not realise that when I posted here. I know such physical sides wont dissipate with gaming. I hope with time or some other way everyone here gets better.

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I am not taking out frustration (for being badly affected) on those less badly affected. I am standing up for Truth and for Reason. I am appealing for a higher level of critical thinking in the community when it comes to analyzing symptom variation and symptom alleviation (but also symptom presentation). These are not matters without consequences. Symptom alleviation can be construed as connected to causation and is in fact often used to imply it. I hope I don’t need to make the argument how dangerous Falsehood and Folly are, especially in matters that most definitely have to do with life and death.

A secondary but still relevant consideration in raising this point is the credibility of our community to the outside world. It is not hard to imagine what researchers, doctors, regulators and policy makers think about our condition after reading thread after thread describing symptom presentation and symptom alleviation from everything under the sun. In fact, as far as I know, this exact problem on PropeciaHelp was unscrupulously but successfully exploited by Merck’s defense team in the class action lawsuits to discredit PFS victims and the condition as a whole.

I also said this is not necessarily a response to this thread (only). I don’t think this thread is anywhere near the worst example of the phenomenon I am criticizing. This is a general problem on the forum and someone needs to point it out. I found a good opportunity to do it and did it. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate if I did it in a separate thread so that I don’t single out @canabis and charge him with everybody’s sins, which of course would be unjust and unjustified.

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@Sibelio I think your a good guy, but I think its important that people are able to post freely on this forum. Of course the science is the most important aspect, but this forum is also about support as we are all suffering a trauma. I liked this post and I think it might help people. Sometimes we can become totally fixated with our symptoms, and I was very much like that in the past, but if playing a computer game takes peoples mind off things for 30 minutes then surely that’s a good thing. There are always going to be some posts that we like individually and some that we don’t, but if we just don’t engage with the posts that we aren’t interested in.

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Yeah gaming is definitely a challenge, if my brain was a processor it’d be a pentium or celleron at this current time :grin: I feel like I can’t keep up with the sheer amount of data that needs processing, games are very mentally demanding depending what you play and thinking about positioning, resource count, strategy, your aim, speaking to your team mates and doing multiple other things at once, It’s a challenge and I end up not realise what I’m actually doing half the time because I’m a little out of it, especially If i talk on discord I find it hard to concentrate on the game as it’s too much to do at once.

Same goes for general life not just gaming, my brain is struggling to keep up with me lol but I know a lot of us are like this now. Once are brains are back running smoothly, thing’s will be as easy as smarties :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Hey i can definetely relate to that mate. I used to play FPS a lot and I was definetely sharper before but recently i tried Counter Strike GO again and i was definetely slower in processing information and reacting to stuff on the screen.
Maybe like 80% as before. It’s enough to notice if i’m playing hardcore multiplayer but I can still play well. I guess maybe because of Fin and the hormonal change some changes are happening in the brain. I hope it gets better once the hormones settle

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Wasn’t aware of this. What a shameful state of affairs.

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