Why did this have to happen to us? I was so happy before and now I just want to die so that I can end the suffering. Nobody understands and I’m all fucking alone.
I’m sorry that this happened you. We all feel the same. There is hope though. You will improve and so will I. I defunitely believe that.
You don’t know that we are going to improve. We could have pfs for the rest of our lives unless a scientific breakthrough is made.
I know I’m improving. I always knew I would. I’m near 80% now after including some b-vitamins into the mix. Sorry to hijack your ninny-winny-I-am-a-wussy-can’t-deal-with-this thread but just thought I’d inject my optimism into your thread much like how you try to inject your ninny-winny-wussy cynicism into mine.
bizzbee youre not fucking improving… you are just adjusting to your new hormonal environment. It’s kind of like how TBI victims dont ever get back to normal but just learn to adapt and live a new life, but instead of a brain injury its a hormonal injury.
Your right, I’m imagining all this massive improvement. I should have known, it’s hopeless. Plus the near doubling of Testosterone levels, well I guess you could say that is actually just me adjusting to my new hormonal environment and having fun by wacking off six times a week whereas before it was hardly once a month. I adjusted to my new PFS “hormonal environment” years ago. I then did some re-adjusting just about three years back when I decided to do something about this problem instead of wallow in misery. Yes almost everyone here seems to go through an adjustment period where their muscles lose density and fullness, their skin becomes dry and less oily, they start to get pot bellies and fat redistributes around the waist in a more feminine-like manner, and they lack the energy to do anything, yes I adjusted to all of this and stayed that way for years not knowing really how to get out of this mess besides occasionally doing heavy weights in the gym. I don’t have ANY of these symptoms now, NONE. They’re all gone. I have a near six pack. I wack off now more than a lot of others my age as far as times per week is concerned. I would say I’m pretty happy with this new adjustment although there is still work needed to get that final 20-25% of what I used to be or what I should be. You need to get a clue. You are incredibly stupid and your posts do absolutely no good and show what kind of person you really are. You’re a waste of space and time.
The difference between me and you is that I admit I have no clue happened to me when I took finasteride and then crashed. You on the other hand love to spout nonsensical bullshit and claim to be a certain percentage “recovered” depending on which day of the week you happen to be posting. Get a grip dude, you’re fucking delusional. Me being realistic isnt doing harm to anyone but you are giving false hope to everyone and your only basis of evidence is bullshit anecdotal experiences like “I have wacked off x number of times this week” … really?
YEAH REALLY. I can fuck again, put on muscle again, and take pleasure again in the sights, sounds, and smells of life. IF YOU had taken the time to read about actual recoveries instead of being a ninny-whinny-pansy ass posting about how bad life sucks post finasteride and showing everyone what a little ninny you are then you would have figured out that in the road to recovery there will be fluctuations in how you feel, ups and downs, but overall the trend is upwards if you are disciplined, which you certainly don’t appear to be, and persistent, which you are unfortunately with respect to complaining and bitching and moaning and having the audacity and impertinence to tell other people that you know about their OWN status of recovery better than they actually do instead of being persistent in following an actual recovery plan. There are no delusions on my end I’m afraid, the results speak for themselves. I have before and after lab test results and I have before and after pictures of what I looked like. The only delusion is to think that by whining and bitching on this forum and pumping your fists at this drug you are going to get others to rally behind you in solidarity and empathy. You’re hopeless, you have no plan for a future and you will wallow in misery for years to come waiting for some kind of medical research to come to the rescue. The DIFFERENCE between me and people like you who seem to be many in number is that I don’t need to figure out exactly what went wrong, I just needed some idea and with that idea I formulated a plan, then I executed it and attacked this problem in the face of uncertainty while remaining optimistic while you flounder and flap around like a fish out of water before being swallowed by a big animal. I’m afraid I’ve wasted too much time already on this trying to convince losers on this forum that there is hope if they are willing to put in the work. Stop posting this garbage and get a life you twit.
This “plan” of yours that you “formulated” seems pretty legit man. All you have done is holistic garbage. Then you say I’m hopeless for counting on medical research to get us though this. Like how is there any other imaginable way to get to the bottom of this? Are you dumb? Modern science is what got us into this mess so it’s only logical that it will have to be even more modern science that will save us. If you want to know what I have planned, well I’m currently taking molecular cell biology, accompanied with a lab, organic chemistry, and animal biology. I’m learning all I can so that if I’m lucky I can do research into this condition on my own someday. You just keep doing what you’re doing though man. Maybe once you are like 89.374% recovered you will be able to masturbate 20 times in one week, and THATS what matters.
Awwww…isn’t that sweet. He’s taking molecular bio and organic chemistry so he can one day be a hero and help to solve this problem. I’m sorry to wake you up from your daydream little ninny boy but to become a trained scientist takes years and years, we’re talking at least a decade worth of school along with a couple of post doctoral stints afterwards. You’ve just made it quite clear that you’re still a bit wet behind the ears so I won’t be too harsh on you with reality but I think I should let you in on something if you do decide to partake on such a daunting undertaking. First of all, right now there are people much more accomplished and smarter than you that are tackling this problem at the top universities and by the time you are in anywhere near a position to offer an authoritative opinion on what this problem actually is they would have hopefully made much headway, and if not well I guess they’ll just have to wait till a hero like you comes along. Second, while you’re taking your baby classes in orgo and mol bio you’ll find that you aren’t as sharp as you used to be and your memory probably isn’t as good anymore, in fact you may experience in the years to come increasing levels of cognitive decay since the longer you are in this state the more you will regress in many areas of physiological functioning. This is the brain fog everyone talks about while in this condition and has apparently been the cause of many people afflicted with this to quit work and/or quit school. So the choice is yours…you can either act like an impertinent, saucy little boy or you can come to grips with the reality that there ACTUALLY are things that you can do that don’t involve microscopes, chemical hoods, and bubbling glass cauldrons in order to improve your current condition. I don’t know what in the world your metric for success and recovery is but I’m pretty sure most would agree with mine, including jacking off 20X a week. Good luck! I’m gonna go back to my delusional-holistic-bullshit-wonderful-enjoyable-finally-kicking-ass-again-soon-to-be-100% life. I’m done with this fool.
So you’re actually going to be condescending towards my effort to learn about the mechanisms behind this condition and at the same time be that proud of yourself for simple diet and exercise? You’re more delusional/pompous than I thought.
Diet and exercise are bullshit excuse for the retards on here who were out of shape slobs their whole lives prior to PFS anyway. I went through a law enforcement academy for 6 months with PFS eating nothing but chicken breasts, salad and eggs. I lost 14% bodyfat and saw no resolution in side effects that could not be attributed to simply “living better”.
Its just nonsense for the pseudo-scientists on here that probably don’t even have a really severe case of PFS anyway.
Thanks for being reasonable BP7667, it really means a lot.
Last time I checked you can not fix neurotoxic poisoning with diet and exercise. There are lots of people here that were in top physical condition, took fin and crashed. Its actually very insulting when this myth keeps getting propagated. There is simply no relationship/correlation here. You make a mockery of this condition by pretending there is. The simple fact is neurological conditions like this are not very predictable in there outcome/prognosis. If you think otherwise you didn’t crash hard and/or you were a fat lazy bitch before you took the drug.
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Apparently this is a potent neurotoxin, just read the gibberish contained in your own post. I happened to be one of those in top physical condition before taking this stuff and I happened to “crash” pretty good and proper after stopping. Of course, some have been more severely affected than others, we all know this so let’s not beat a dead horse. But there are people that have had some of the worst symptoms, myself included, that are functioning pretty well right now and are even recovered. To claim that these are not real recoveries and to make this thing seem insurmountable (which I will admit it does seem that way at times) is much more egregious than making simple mockery. There are those with this problem that for whatever reason be it genetics or bodily constitution may yet have a good chance at recovering by following a specific diet and exercise protocol if just followed consistently over a long period of time (from months to even years). They should not be swayed in any measure by your constant peeping and piping about how hopeless and dire this situation is. That may drive them to do things they would regret doing normally. I think even those who may not have a good chance at recovering should still at least try to emulate those that did recover, while waiting for medicine to catch up. At the very least it will create a healthier bodily environment and may make them feel better over TIME, if not a few months then maybe several or more (or even years) but if followed I guarantee that anyone will start to feel better if this is done correctly. And by correctly I mean keeping cardio to a very minimum (just a few sprints per week) and doing strength training sessions lasting no more than 15-20 min at first, about two or three times per week. Many of you attempting this are apparently doing way too much exercise, this is totally counterproductive. Plus ANY cheating whatsoever on diet in the initial stages will also be totally counterproductive. The truth is that very few have actually adhered to this protocol properly, many have claimed to and then said it didn’t work but you always find out through their own advertent or inadvertent admission that they were not doing it properly. Yet still they will find the time to mock this treatment protocol as just plain old “diet and exercise”. You want the real mockery? There it is: calling this treatment that has worked wonders for others and led to recoveries as just “diet and exercise”. And this coming from the real fat lazy bitch who sits on his ass pumping himself full of needles and pills just to feel semi-normal every day.
How disheartening to read gibberish like that posted by bizzbee333 in this post. If your getting better good for you. That doesn’t justify you ridiculing other who are still struggling with this condition.
The ridicule has been passed back and forth in almost equal measure. Although in my last post, I was trying to render a bit more than mere ridicule for a particular position. This unfortunately is what is lost on many like yourself who see this as “gibberish” instead of good sense.
bizzbee every single post of yours on this site is complete nonsense. just fuck off.
Ei guys just read my thread in General Im near 100% recovered it has been a lot way… 3yers since I stopped taking the drug. After that 2 years ago I decided to DO something because I was getting worse with the time. Go to doctors and my testosterone became below of the range 280ng/dl since then I have made all I can do to higher my testosterone and the DHT conversion and Im feeling pretty well at the moment, Im recovering everything as it was before so Im happy overall.