exercise intolerance

[Maria]

@Mew

Mew, you have lied about my conduct on this forum. You wrote “If your only intent is to come here to argue…” and “yet you continue to dole out argumentative advice and question the nature/patterns/hypogonadal aspects of PFS”. I have done nothing but the absolute contrary of what you are accusing me of.

You have publicly lied about my behavior here in order to make me look crazy and yourself look rational. Lying is the lowest form of human behavior in my opinion. This is not the kind of level I want to involve myself with.

I have not lied whatsoever. Here is my interpretation of your post.

You stated:

Really? I know exactly what he is talking about - it’s clear as glass. Why does he crash after exercise? As I’m sure you know, there are plenty of posts here by various members discussing that.

Let’s back up a second: A user started this thread with the title “exercise intolerance” as the subject, with the following brief non-descriptive text as its content: "why does htis happen?> how do we testforit?". Unfortunately, that is hardly descriptive in of itself or enough to go on to provide any real feedback.

The user then posted “why do I crash after hard exercise? I thought I read about iton here before”.

Having run this forum for a number of years I can tell you, the better a poster can describe their problem in detail, the better and more detailed response they can expect from various members. On the other hand, posting a few words leaves it up to the reader to try and guess at what the poster is trying to convey, making it difficult to provide advice.

My response to that post was that typically, “… Most guys end up with low Testesterone/LH/FSH within weeks of quitting the drug, that is what the “endorcrine system crash” is. This is a hormonal reaction independent of exercise, when DHT typically comes back online after 5AR2 is no longer being inhibited by Finasteride.”

Perhaps due to the initial poster’s lack of detail in describing what his definition of a “crash is”, that may have contributed to a misunderstanding. The definition which I and other medical professionals are alluding to is as described above (hypogonadal T/LH/FSH), and is the million dollar question – why is it that when androgen returns within weeks of quitting, does something “biologically get shut off” (as Dr. Traish puts it) and we are no longer responsive to androgen going forward (or so it seems)? Hopefully, through the research efforts here – viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5282 – we will be able to get some answers.

If yourself and the original poster are referring to a different definition of what a “crash” is, then you are talking about a completely different concept. If that is the case, please elaborate on your definition of a “crash”.

Having said that, the next post that shows up is what you wrote:

"Really? I know exactly what he is talking about - it’s clear as glass. Why does he crash after exercise? As I’m sure you know, there are plenty of posts here by various members discussing that. "

I interpreted the tone of your post to be argumentative and accusatory, as if I didn’t know what I am talking about. This was probably further compounded by the fact that it came from a user that 1) ignored the registration rules of this forum in the first place, 2) who believes their problems to be identical to ours despite 3) not having taken same drug or 4) being of same gender, which is ultimately the target demographic of this forum (men who took/quit Finasteride).

That is what I meant by “you continue to dole out argumentative advice and question the nature/patterns/hypogonadal aspects of PFS” – that is, what I am referring to has already been outlined here: propeciahelp.com/symptoms, yet I found your comments to be questioning this exact problem.

Further, you then had the gall to start demanding how the forum should be run, despite ignoring the registration rules yourself (“If you don’t want this to happen, have different criteria and don’t accept people onto this forum by default.”), a point I already replied to previously. I am curious though, how did you miss the big red letters stating this forum is for ex-Finasteride/Dutasteride users when you registered your account and what made you proceed despite this warning? You never did answer that question.

That said, the fact you are accusing me of lying about your behaviour is simply not the case at all. Everything that has been written in this thread is visible for anyone to see and interpret for themselves. I even extended an olive branch regarding membership considering you are so passionate about your issues as being connected with our own (despite some members and Moderators suggesting otherwise) as well as considering your previous discussions with Awor on the topic… yet this seems to have fallen on deaf ears despite my attempts to try and explain/resolve the issue.

Anyway, this will be my last post regarding this “situation”, so let me know your final decision regarding your account.

Listen, I really hoped you would have deleted my membership yesterday. I am not even going to read through your post. You seem to lack some level of sharpness and critical thinking skills and I’m not interested in wasting my time with you anymore.

I have asked now 3 times to delete my membership. This is my fourth time. Yes, I would like you to delete my membership, thank you.

You lied by stating “yet you continue to dole out argumentative advice and question the nature/patterns/hypogonadal aspects of PFS”. It seems as if I have to spell out to you that by saying “continue” you are accusing me for having repeatedly done so in the past, as well as in the present. You cannot refer to one post where I have doled out argumentative advice and questioned the nature/pattern/hypogonadal aspects of PFS.

You keep telling me I don’t belong here, yet you tell me you’d rather not delete my membership. It does not make sense. Please, once and for all, I ask a 4th time, delete my membership.

[Maria]

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[martinM]

@Maria

You cannot refer to one post where I have doled out argumentative advice and questioned the nature/pattern/hypogonadal aspects of PFS.

What about the posts where you’re critical of Mew’s approach to the forum? Is this not in the form of argumentative advice???

[Mew]

I have asked now 3 times to delete my membership. This is my fourth time. Yes, I would like you to delete my membership, thank you.

As you wish. Done.

[scaredtodeath]

I’ll be the first to say I am not happy about this.

This forum is very useful in many regards - its just the behavior of so many of the users is inexecusable. So much attacking of ideas and bickering of minor points. And everyone trying to play gotcha by quoting someones words from months ago.

I’ve asked mulitple times but can we please start to be more civil towards each other - its amazing because of all the people in the world, those that post here are the only ones that truly understand what we are all going through, the only ones that will believe us, the only ones that can give each other hope. And yet rather than welcome this we turn on each others posts and theories - such catty behavior - maybe its all the excess estrogen but it is pathetic.

[spstriken]

I am not happy with her account deleted, but it was her choice. I had some thing to discuss with her about my anti-bodies theory but it is too late.