I know the scientists are looking for the root cause can the prostate be fixed once more info is discovered or once it’s damaged by this poison it’s done.I think we are all scared that damage cannot be fixed hopefully it can.
But still, how does it look like?
Mine is watery, transparent, low in volume and doesn’t fly as strong, but it wasn’t like that before. I know some, maybe even many men naturally have that kind of semen. I assume they also have low PSA values congenitally and mine probably was higher.
My PSA is 1.0 on a range of “0.0-4.0”. My semen is not watery (as it was while on fin) but very dense with yellow agglomerates (more agglomerates if I don’t ejaculate for some days).
The volume is off the range: 7.3 on a range of “2.0-6.0”, but I remember that pre and while on fin it was even more…
The fertility is ok.
PS: quitted 7 years ago after 5 years of poisoning. The spermiogram is better now than when I did it 6 months after quitting the drug. Symptoms are always the same, but probably something has improved…
PSA - 0.61 [0.00 - 2.50] ng/mL
I also test low out of range for 3 adiol-g on every blood test. My semen is the same consistency but its yellow, also before finasteride i would have precum now its basically non existent
Semen is less watery than the months after quitting Fin. It is mid-point between water and consistent white (it is somewhat clear grey, it was pure water after quitting).
There was very, very few semen even after many days of abstinence after quitting, now there is a reasonable amount, and abstinence plays a role in that again.
It’s okay for the semen to be watery, but what matters is the change. Does it look the same as it did before taking the drug? It has to become thicker due to abstinence.
Of course not.
I have to check that, but I don’t think so. However, I noticed there was more quantity due to abstinence whereas in the following months after quitting, abstinence didn’t change a thing. There is some progress here.
0.5 is low?
man people are seriously misinformed in here
0.5 means that there is damage in the prostate. Prostatic proteins are leaking in order to be measured from the PSA assay. That is definately not normal.
even 0.1 means that there is inflammatory damage in the prostate and active AR function
prostatectomy cancer patients with a marginal change from 0.1 to 0.2 are considered to be in a reactivated form of cancer
who’s spreading all sorts of bullshit in the internet about 0.5 PSA being low??
a young man with healthy prostate should have 0 PSA. ZERO.
people with >4 = high possibility of prostate cancer unless they have active prostatitis. ACTIVE.
Also some cases of BPH + prostatitis cause PSA to rise but in a fluctuating way that means it may go over 4 but then return to 1 or 2 or less.
Anyways PSA is not always a valid measure of prostate health especially if it fluctuates to or over 4 then you need fPSA.
But in no case whatsoever in a young man 20-30 year old a value of 0.5 is considered low. It means there is something GOING ON something is damaging the prostate
Pls post scientific papers that state and support this exact claim.
I don’t post scientific papers
This is basic medical knowledge
Its not my fault that noone in here or very few people understand the basics of medicine but tend to explain the outmost of science fiction.
There is no science paper that will overshadow basic medical logic.
Scientific papers made your doctors prescribe you Finasteride
PSA reading should be zeroish if you are healthy.
If you did damaging activities to your prostate like had heavy sex sessions or rode a bike for a few hours and measured PSA it could be logic to have some reading.
If not, then anything over 0.1 to 0.2 (lets include some statistical errors too) means something is going on. It is not 100% healthy. Not 100% unhealthy. But there is activity in your prostate and in most cases activity in there means something is being damaged slowly over time. Growth/inflammation etc etc. Especially the 0.5 + values.
Find an 18year old and tell him to test for PSA
Once i had a PSA of 0.2 and i was surprised and that was prior to fin.
Today i have 2.5
Studies indicate that digital rectal examination may reveal evidence of prostate cancer in some patients with normal PSA levels (less than 4.0 ng per mL). One study revealed that approximately 20 percent of prostate cancers with aggressive features occur in men with normal PSA levels. According to the report, nearly 75 percent of cases of prostate cancer are associated with an abnormal PSA level
aafp.org/afp/2000/0815/p883.html
there is your study/protocol whatever you want to call it
I’m not here to derail this thread but what you have posted is your opinion only. Blaming the reader for not being educated when the onus is on you to prove your statements with scientific evidence is a cop-out. Such behaviour will not be tolerated.
europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838%2811%2900860-8/fulltext
In most published series, median PSA levels in the general male population
[Size=4] range from approximately 0.4 to 0.7 ng/ml in men in their 40s[/size]
and from approximately
[Size=4]0.7 to 1.0 ng/ml in men in their 50s[/size].
Evidence from both nonscreening and screening populations has demonstrated the predictive value of a single baseline PSA measurement for prostate cancer risk assessment. [Size=4]Specifically, men with baseline PSA levels above the age-group-specific median have a greater risk of prostate cancer diagnosis during the next 20–25 yr[/size]. Additional studies confirmed that higher baseline PSA levels at a young age are also associated with a greater risk of aggressive disease, metastasis, and disease-specific mortality many years later.
is this clear enough??
[Size=4]0.4 - 0.7ng/ml in men in their 40s
0.7 - 1.0ng/ml in men in their 50s[/size]
what age group are you in so i can make an assumption about your condition?
as i said at age 24 i had PSA of 0.2. That was one month prior to fin and both me + microbiologist where surprised
people here post outrageous things without being censored and when you hear the utter truth you don’t like it?
well this is the truth
I don’t blame noone in particular but everyone in general who gets misinformed systematically
posters in here 99% don’t have the elemental medical knowledge needed to judge things and rely their credibility on whatever they google out as scientific research to suit their thinking
accept the truth and move on
Solonjk, you stated “0.5 means that there is damage in the prostate.”
I asked you to provide published scientific evidence to support this claim.
The info you posted relates to prostate cancer screening and states “median PSA levels in the general male population range from approximately 0.4 to 0.7 ng/ml in men in their 40s”. Those are considered NORMAL values (ie, no problems, no damage etc).
So, please provide scientific evidence that “0.5 means that there is damage in the prostate.”, which you still have not done, considering “median PSA levels in the general male population range from approximately 0.4 to 0.7 ng/ml in men in their 40s” and “0.4 - 0.7” is considered NORMAL, based on the info you just posted.
You can try harder than that
Next time i will post you my urology exam paper and grades
Or have my professor post in here because you act like a retard sometimes
0.4-0.7 is found in 40yr old men (the BPH process has started in most of them by the age of 40 + including possible inflammation)
when a man of 25 has a PSA reading up to 1(like the posters above) this is NOT NORMAL. Take it or leave it.
there is no scientific paper suited for everything you wish to degrade or upgrade in your mind
it is basic knowledge. I ve had 13 weeks of urology clinics. What the fuck did we see there? PSA readings at their most. People with inflammation had readings. Healthy people, healthy young people had undetectable PSA.
This is the end of story
If you don’t like something i cannot help you with that.
Medicine is not math it is logic first of all
Found a study where young people’s PSA was measured in the process and it seems like we’re totally normal for PSA actually.
So sorry for the misinformation.
Solonjk may be right and I have thought about that idea too. But i understand that it is supposed to leak into the blood in some amount and if there’s absolutely no PSA it may also mean that you have no epithelial cells in your prostate anymore. It could indicate that.
So tell us, Solonjk, how do we get information about the prostate secretion producing cells in the prostate? Biopsy only? We need to know, if there’s enough of them or not.
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PSA is not a very precise figure man but in general healthy young adults have very close to 0. Not absolute but close to zeroish. 0.1, 0.2.
A level of 0.5-1.0 at a young age (20-25 years old) means there is something going on. Offcourse too many things may be going on in there (recent ejaculation, straining activity), and its not absolutely a sign of bad prostate health, but its not also exactly a perfectly healthy prostate if you know what i mean. It could be the start of bph or the start of an inflammation. But definately something.
Its like the low grade fever states of 36.8-37.2 C. Doctors reckon that some mild inflammations or infections may cause this, but they suggest watching rather than intervening.
Still:
In a multivariate regression analysis, we found
that at baseline, prostate volume was directly correlated
with serum PSA level and both percent and
volume of epithelium, that is, the large prostate
glands were associated with high serum PSA levels
and with both a relative and an absolute epithelial
richness. Long-term change in prostate volume
was directly correlated with baseline prostate volume,
serum PSA level, and both percent and volume
of epithelium.
Longterm effects of Finasteride on prostate tissue.pdf (530 KB)
Does anyone know that urology department can give you to take this PSA test? Im going tomorrow and maybe i should ask for it.