Don't just leave

Don’t need to say thx mate, in fact I’ve been quite silly just forgetting everyone here while i’ve been recovered…sorry about that.
First time, in 2015 the only thing I did was take Dogmatil to control my anxiety at the beggining. I took it for 3 or 4 months… I also took a natural pills for liver detox that my endo gave me (vito best liver detox) and basically is what I did… didnt follow diets or any other protocols… whit this and above all time, I recovered.

For the ups and downs and for the second crash last summer I didnt do anything… my body recovered by itself… I would like to help you more with some protocol but I didnt follow… after I got recovered again, went to an endo that i already went rhe forst crash and tried to improve mi diet, low the stress and so on… but now i’m fucked up again (not as bad as last crash) but as I said cant sleep, no energy, not enjoyng anything…etc but this time sexually didnt suffer any side… just the libido maybe but I can have normal sex and erections …
I’ll update you guys if any change or any question u have…

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Do you have an idea why you crashed again?

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I am wondering about people who used to have a lot of activity in the forum some years ago: bluecloud87, Second Amendment, thetigershull, boston332, xptriado, etc.

Hopefully things got better for them.

In my case I left for almost three years mainly because mentally I was feeling well and my body wasn’t worsening, I didn’t want to come back and remember some things. I wasn’t recovered at all, but l was living an acceptable life and that was ok for me, despite the limitations. Until my last crash.

Someone here posted some months back that he’d been in contact with him. Apparently he’s recovered but for whatever reason won’t respond to requests to update us here. How likely or true that is, I don’t know.

I’m sure that some will have signed up with a burner email address and some will have email notifications switched off but everyone was emailed when we launched the survey. Why they haven’t participated is anyone’s guess but their absence is part of why I created this topic.

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Wow, he was a very severe case if I remember well.

Well I looked for his facebook account to talk to him via messenger.
He seems to be back on tracks and seems to have a girlfriend and getting back to a kind of normality after the hell he went through.
I can understand his staying away from the forum though.
Being early in my crash, the extensive reading of the forum has put me in a state of catatonia ( dunno if this is listed in fin sides :laughing:), I would have liked to exchange with this veteran… The more I progress in this hell, the more I tell myself I just have to get ready to be shovelling shit for the next year…

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Good attitude.

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Easier said than done though… The suicide ideation can take a hard toll on me and it is my greatest fear as I live alone to do something stupid in those first difficult months.

Regarding this, this is one of the things that improves for almost everyone: you’ll see that as time goes by, mental sides will improve a lot.

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Definitely one of my main concern… Sexual sides are tough ( explained by my recent bloodwork and probable classic case of hypogonadism) but the worst is how I became disinterested in most things that I would be crazy about : series, music, vinyls, buying clothes… I just buy my groceries and feel no interest to blow money…
The mental blunting helps me cope better with my soon to be confirmed break-up as a result of a slowly downhill 6 months relationship which is, in retrospect, courtesy of Finasteride…
It is a sad state of affairs gents…
In 3 weeks : PFS, impotence and the end of a what used to be great relationship… You bet I am googling shitty stuff…

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I’m not mate… As I said I had some emotional stress since I broke up with a girlfriend I had in that moment… So maybe was that… Another thing is that it was in summer. I mean, I recovered 100% by january of 2016. That year was amazing, then 2017 was still perfect, but by the summer of 2017 I started to feel weird again, I didn’t crash but I had some episodes of ED and low energy… That was summer 2017. I recovered without much problems, but then in summer 2018 I crashed, as I said quite heavy. I recovered in september and I’ve been quite good since nowadays, again summer and I’m feeling quite weak, no energy…bad sleep… etc. I had not a crash this time but things are not as good as normal…Don’t know if hot is playing something here (I mean really hot, I’m from spain and here is soooo hot. Well, hopefully I can recover my good state again…
Thank you guys.

Hi David,

Can you explain what your symptoms are when you’ve had a crash? Is it just fatigue, low energy and bad sleep or are there other things too? Thanks again for returning.

I think this is very important, too. I plan on seeing all the clueless doctors I already went to again, in order to tell them how my story continued.

Hi Greek,

Well, I would say I’ve had 2 crashes.
First in april 2015, my symptoms were complete impotence, insomnia, anxiety, panick attacks, brain fog, lack of energy… I recovered bit a bit from all of them.
First I solved were panick attacks (I had 2 or 3 of them) then axiety, insomnia… The symptoms that more lasted were sexuals and the brain fog. So by january 2016 I was almost recovered from everything, still had some problems sometimes with erections but I was doing quite good… In fact, by that time I was as good as ever before… Great energy, I was sleeping really good, and a sense of well-being…Then my hair was better than ever before… And I think here’s one of the most strange things… Before the crash, since my hair started to fall, I always had a really strange feeling in my head, like uncomfortable when someone touched my head, irritation, inflammation in my scalp and also most of the days I felt sleepy all day… Since the crash, all this changed, and I stopped having all this sensations in my head… My hair became really strong… And all this happened when I already was not taking propecia. I also had super energy and never felt sleepy anymore.

Then I stayed really good with some ups and downs (the downs were mild) until my second crash in july 2018. In this crash some of the symptons were more or less the same that in the first crash, but mainly I had complete impotence, lack of energy, insomnia… But didn’t have brain fog or panick attacks. Then, I recovered myself much faster than the 1st crash, by september I was much more better in sexual terms, and energy improved bit a bit… But the ting is that I never reached the state I was in the first recovery. I was close though, but the ups and downs were more freqüent, and also started to have sometimes the same sensation in my head (the one I had years ago). I’ve been lik this since 3 weeks ago, were I feel myself again the same than years ago… (sleepy all day, no too much energy, not joy for anything… that strange feeling in my head and also my hair falling down a lot… Since all this time since the first crash I’ve kept my hair like really good… I just put all this because I think that there is a connection between the state of my hair and the state of the rest of my body… And not talking about esthetic…
Don’t know what’s going on again… But you know guys you sometimes get sick of fighting…going to doctors etc etc… I guess I’ill go back to my endo and do some tests again and all that stuff… Will see how it goes…
Sorry for the long message.

Best regards.

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Sorry,

I forgot to say that in the first crash I also had penis shrinkage, so heavy. I recovered my normal size with time…

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That’s one that I would expect people to be quite interested in.

For science!:

Was the shrinkage both flaccid and erect?

Don’t worry! More is better.

Yeah it was! At the beggining when I was almost completely impotent, sometimes I got some erections with Cialis or sometimes even without it… And erect it wasn’t the normal size at all…
It was also like numbness… with time it got better.

Right now as I said I can have erections and sex, but I’m fucking tired all day, my libido not too high, don’t sleep well… Don’t know whats’s going on actually… ;(

I feel I’m in a similar situation.

Recently, sleep and fatigue have been my biggest issues, though my sleep is far better than when all this started.

Sometimes I feel more libido than usual. I’m hoping that things will continue to align and improve for us.

Thanks again for updating us. I think a lot of guys here will be happy to see your most recent post.

Hello guys,

An update of my state right now…

I’ve been reading some posts with much people saying that with time they get better, even recovered… As I did too.

I also have read some recoveries, and I swear for all my family guys that mine was for sure on of the best recoveries… So… if with time people gets better… And I was fucking amazing in less than one year almost…how can be possible staying fucking bad again… It happened last summer… and it’s happening this as well…

I’ve been getting worse since last time I posted… And now I almost can’t get erections… the difference with the last year is that I do get erections in the morning… but rest of the day it’s almost impossible… (last year I didn’t even have in the morning…) Since 1 week ago every night i’m sleeping just like 3 hours…I have a strange anxiety inside… don’t know mates… The sides seems similar than the sides of the last summer… But I feel them different… fucking worried again… I’ve recovered 3 times already (in 2017 had a small episode)… But I don’t know… Is also 1,5 month that I started to feel strange and every time im getting worse… At the beggining it wasn’t sexual… Now it is…

I guess gonna have some blood test again… Will keep you updated guys…

Dou you know about guys that are pretty normal and recovered and then crash again and recovery and then the same cycle… all the time?

Thanks.