health.ucsd.edu/news/2010/7-15-glycosylation-disorder.htm
I see you can get gingko extract supplements i wonder if there’s any dolichol content. Ah, im just being lazy lol
Colin, TNTW already commented on Ginko and as for blending, someone earlier suggested a good smoothie mix- I think mixing it with bananas and some other stuff? Are you planning on trying?
Yes certainly i would consider if we could get a mix that was tasty and thus feasible for the long term.
TBH though i dont have the mental sides and i do have a clear hormonal imbalance with high e2 so im not sure how i would even fit into this theory really.
Thank you! Don’t worry, I’m not going anywhere. I want to see this thing through to the end.
The article Is Spinach a good source of Iron? will answer most of your questions. Basically the oxalic acid in spinach will naturally inhibit the absorption of iron, and you’ll have to eat it in combination with other foods which will allow for iron absorption. It lists 8mg of iron as the recommended daily intake. As far as the thyroid goes, if an N-Glycosylation disorder brought upon by dolichol deprivation is indeed the source of our syndrome, then attempts to fix the thyroid would probably be more or less futile. You have to fix the underlying cause before any of the higher functions (such as the thyroid) can be restored to proper order. Most likely our bodies will sort themselves out once proper N-Glycosylation is restored.
A wheatgrass capable juicer would probably make things easier on your stomach. All a blender will really do is pre-chew it for you. I haven’t read anything regarding dolichol absorption, only about iron absorption. I’m not sure if eating other things would make a difference in regards to dolichol absorption.
Yes, that’s pretty much the same thing I’m eating. Mine is organic though, but I’m not sure if it makes a difference.
This is exactly how I feel about this. We all respond differently to treatment, so please don’t base your success upon whether or not you get the same immediate results as someone else. Our bodies are all in their own state of disrepair, and any treatment needs to be done on their own time.
Oh man, that’s awesome!! I really hope you keep getting better!
You may be onto something there. I’m sort of an unusual case among the post-fin sufferers. I only took fin for 2 days, and crashed HARD almost immediately afterward. Most people usually need at least a week for sides to show up, and usually crash after 2 weeks of discontinuing, whereas the apex of my syndrome was only after 2 days of discontinuing. Within about a week of the spinach diet, my body was restored. I must be extremely sensitive to dolichol deprivation, as my body seems to respond exceptionally fast to both deprivation as well as supplementation. It’s almost like I’m in fast-motion. It’s possible that those who crashed faster will respond faster, and those who had a higher tolerance to deprivation will take longer to respond. 3pm used fin for a very short time, I’d like to see how this treatment affects him.
ScaredinMD actually found a dolichol supplement, it’s made by Solagran and is called Ropren. Unfortunately it costs roughly $1000 a month, but it may prove highly effective for us. ScaredinMD is going to try it and let us know.
Probably not. In the article you quoted it says, “Ginkgo is already the source of a lot of compounds, so getting dolichol might just mean another step in the extraction process. After that, you could develop a pill that patients could take as a supplement to their diet.” This would imply that ginkgo extract does not contain dolichol, but dolichol may be extracted through an additional step in the extraction process. Like spinach, ginkgo is also abundant in dolichol; however you’d have to eat raw ginkgo tree leaves to get to it. Eating spinach is far easier and more accessible.
N-Glycosylation disorders can affect almost every system in your body, and encompass an extremely wide range of symptoms; exactly like PFS. You fit quite well, as endocrinopathies are one of its broad range of symptoms. The fact that you don’t have mental sides doesn’t exclude you from it. It would be like saying you didn’t get into a car wreck because your windows didn’t shatter; one is not necessarily a prerequisite for the other.
Probably not, as even cooked spinach most likely doesn’t contain dolichol. There doesn’t appear to be any shortcuts in dolichol supplementing. You either have to eat the raw foods that contain it, or spend $1000 a month for Ropren. There really doesn’t appear to be a good source available otherwise.
There is a Dolichol supplement. It’s Called Ropren. It’s made by an Australian Pharm Company and it’s still in the test stages. Apparently the procedure to extract the dolichol from the plant they use is very pricey. They are testing it on alcoholics with liver issues and people with neurological disorders.
I think I might be keen to give this a go soon, this seems quite promising. just a bit worried as I’m not sure its completely safe to eat all that spinach?
Also, is it very important to not drink caffeine and alcohol while doing this?
I don’t think there’s any substantial risks associated with eating a lot of raw uncooked spinach other than possibly upsetting your stomach if you’re sensitive to it (or if you have a food allergy for it). You could also eat a lot of raw uncooked parsley instead, but you’d probably get sick of it. Definitely avoid caffeine and alcohol. Caffeine interferes with part of the glycosylation process, and alcohol will cause you to excrete more dolichol.
Mood and energy much improved - pre fin like.
Still waiting for sexual improvements - noticed better ejaculation strength but thats about it so far.
[ don’t think there’s any substantial risks associated with eating a lot of raw uncooked spinach other than possibly upsetting your stomach if you’re sensitive to it (or if you have a food allergy for it). You could also eat a lot of raw uncooked parsley instead, but you’d probably get sick of it. Definitely avoid caffeine and alcohol. Caffeine interferes with part of the glycosylation process, and alcohol will cause you to excrete more dolichol.]
Ok, well I doubt I’d be that sensitive to it, I suspect other foods I might be though. Its just I read something earlier in the thread to do with all the iron absorption…
It would be hard to avoid alcohol and caffeine! I only drink caffeine sometimes to help with energy and staying alert as I can feel fatigued often. And with alcohol I only drink it in moderation too when socializing, as it can help me feel less anxious. So would drinking them only in moderation still ruin my chances? If so, I’d choose quitting caffeine and alcohol for sure!
Raw spinach has less iron than cooked spinach, and spinach naturally inhibits the absorption of iron. Too much iron shouldn’t be an issue. You can read the previous discussions in this thread for a more detailed explanation.
Drink alcohol and caffeine at your own risk, as they do the opposite of what this treatment aims to accomplish. They will most likely hinder your progress.
Seems for everything we try sexual improvements are the last (if ever) to come. I’ve been eating the stuff like crazy. Not much improvement really.
If there is truth in this idea stick with it for a few months. You were on fin a long time.
19 - did you have mood/energy issues with PFS, or just sexual sides? I’m just trying to sort out whether you are attributing the extra dolichol to a recovery to some extent or whether it could just be coincidental. What are your thoughts? Are you feeling confident that your mood/energy improvements are related to this treatment, or do you think coincidence could be a factor? I’m wondering if maybe the extra iron you are getting is contributing to the boost (versus the dolichol). Anyway, I’m really HOPING it’s a pure dolichol boost. 2 recoveries on here - even partial- would be significant in my opinion. Also, spinach is known to be a good food for anti-inflammatory diets - I wonder if the anti-inflammatory nature of it is what is truly providing the aid here (sort of along the lines of the auto-immune theory). Still pulling for a full (including sexual sides) recovery for you- keep us posted!
I think I am going to start the spinach diet as soon as I get back home (am out of town visiting family right now- to return Sun night). I’ll start posting progress (or lack thereof) once I get going with it.
Anyone get dark(er) stools from this?
Yeah i’m convinced spinach has improved mental symptoms all around.
I’ve had an extremely productive day. Woke up at 7. I presented a talk on bipolar affective disorder, had a long day seeing psychiatric patients, came home did lots of music and only just stopped. Before this treatment I would be absolutely exhausted by now.
I have no reason to believe its the iron helping.
Still hoping for sexual recovery. Have had a few strong erections but nothing consistent. Fingers crossed.
19 are you a doctor?
where are you located ? Canada or US?
sps
Hey pals, i’m temporarily off from spinach to see if i can participate to Irwing’s second research. I had pretty unsual, highly sexual week but i don’t know if i can credit it to that one day on spinach (i mean it hasn’t been like this for months). Not discarding that possibility though. Hopefully we get the second research done too and Karolinska Institutet joins this too! 
No I’m a medical student in U.K. Father is a GP.
Energy still better however I have been overdoing things and slipped back a bit. I am positive about it though.
Having said that yesterday I masturbated and had a good erection for most of it and semen volume was good and orgasm felt great. Only thing is it burnt me out a little afterwards.