HCG is very interesting. A couple of months ago someone with PFS recovered after years with HCG therapy. And it’s also been part of a couple of recovery stories.
Definitely worth trying.
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PFS may induce hypogonadism in some people or trigger the condition , + even if you’re not hypogonadal you may gain some benefits from the protocol , let him try first
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Seeing a “cured after 11 years” as a title gave me hope, because I’ve had PFS longer than that, and it’s become the “new normal” a long time ago.
Several others see to be along the Proviron path, and while I wait for them, I’m finding legitimate places to get hCG, which seems like it’s also used for diets (go figure). I haven’t yet found a horror story about hCG, which is something I should have done before taking that poison finasteride.
Once I’m on hCG, I’ll start another thread on it, and post frequently, in hopes of some outcome, good or bad.
Separately, and in the same vein as some of the comments above, I’m very methodical in my approaches, even if they’re not agreed on. With that said, I’m using an app, MyFitnessPal, where I enter everything I eat, and how much water I drink. It automatically gets sleep, weight and and other data from my watch and from Apple Health. That data can be shared with those you want. There may be other, better ways to share and collect that data for us, but that’s what I know and am using.
Additionally, a year ago, when I went to get Ketamine treatments for the debilitating depression I developed, they were using a system to collect “how you feel” from patients. The system sends you a text, and you text back a number from 1-10. We need something similar, because who really logs how they feel every day? I think something like may help us see trends. I think it’s a couple of dollars a month, and there may be other, free options. For comparison, the product I’m using is by a company called www.moodmonitor.co
In a perfect world, each of us would have a substantially detailed profile, that shows a lot more about us and what we’re doing to feel better, and maybe we can understand what makes us feel worse. For example, when I overlay how I feel with my weight and other data, it’s easy to see I feel better when I’m lighter, and get less sleep, not more. Add foods eaten to that, and you may see (like I have) that one large meal a day regularly can drag me down all day and into the next, and even one sugary soda do the same for a couple of hours.
We need to do more, yes, much more.
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I talked about pfs with my doc about 2 months ago. He told me why I dont ask Merck. He told me they do tons of research wich is not accessable for the outside. I told him even if Merck is aware of pfs, they would never communicate it to the outside, it would ruin their product.
What I also wonder is, I think there are way way more pssd sufferer out there than pfs sufferer. I wonder that even there it seems like it’s not even an accepted disease by the pharma.
I am willing to spent cash on research. But we have to organize that shit. Labs etc.
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Keep us updated about your hcg protocol , i think it’s an important part of the puzzle , you’re following Joekool’s protocol ?
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PSSD is recognized as a legit condition in europe:
Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction Recognized as Medical Condition
And yeah, many more poeple who take SSRI’s than AA’s like fina/duta so it’s only logically there should be more PSSD victims.
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I believe finasteride must cause a far higher proportion of long term suffers following use after quitting the drug. Makes sense as finasteride is a much stronger direct modulator of androgenic activity than Accutane or SSRIs.
Yeah could be, it’s hard to estimate imo.
Hope PFS will be recognized a serious condition as PSSD in the near future.
In my mind there’s absolutely no doubt it will be recognized within the next few years. There has been way too much evidence mounting in our favour for the last 5 years. I’ve met several Drs now who do not prescribe finasteride at all to young patients anymore. Once a few more mechanistic studies have been published which give weight to a plausible mechanism i.e. epigenetic modifications/receptor desensitization there will be far greater recognition.
A viable treatment will likely be a fair distance more, but at least we will have hope and more information on what finasteride has done to us.
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Plz take the survey
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I must say I am pretty much set on the idea of a high dose 8+ week masteron cycle 2-3 months after this if it doesn’t cure me. Need a bit more research on it but to my mind that’d test the “principle” of it; running DHT very high, feel like crap, get a bit of adjustment in the latter weeks, then drop it.
Long way off that yet though.
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Is hcg called pregnyl? It sounds more promising to me.
Yes, pregnyl is the commercial name. Proviron and SERMs (like HCG, clomid,…) are both interesting imo.
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HCG has nothing to do with PALs protocol and HCG and Clomid and all those PCT products have been trialed and talked about ad nauseam here an elsewhere.
Why do the moderators continue to let certain users derail threads??
Sometimes I really think that most people here don’t actually want to recover and many resent and sabotage anything new like this successful protocol in unconscious effort to protect their victim status/excuse to sit in basement playing video games instead of facing the world. What explanation is there for every single thread getting dumped to the same old 15 y/o failed shit (TRT/herbs/antidepressants/hCG etc)?
Yeah and self doing a shitty diet and forcing others as guinea pigs…
I agree with your message, this thread should be only about proviron but calling HCG “failed shit” is pure ignorance since it recovered and was part of recovery stories.
This thread is about reversing PFS via a specific protocol devised by a succeeder, not confused and misguided efforts to recover from PFS via hypogonadism treatments that sometimes work for people with hypogonadism and never work for people with PFS.
But you’re wrong HCG did work for people with PFS, of course not all. Not long ago there was someone who recovered with HCG.
Let’s stop going of topic though.
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Given this is a member story thread, it isn’t the appropriate place for wider discussions on what has and hasn’t been tried before, or to log your own experiences with Proviron. Following numerous complaints of derailment, this thread will be closed. If anybody is following what the OP of this thread claims they did and wants to share their results, please make a dedicated thread or post in this existing topic Who is actually doing the 200mg/day proviron cycle?.
If @pal returns and wants to make additional posts to his member thread, it will of course be reopened.
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