Constant and extreme 24/7 Brainfog returned!

“I am not alive; I can’t enjoy anything feeling this ill (reading, watching movies or going somewhere is like doing something with a 42 degree Celsius fever, drugged and drunk). I also want to say that I am not depressed, not even remotely, though I probably should be.”

Phenomenal description of what we feel and experience with our cognitive disorder. Yes, I agree. Now, I realize more so how important it is to describe this illness. Thank you so much and I am deeply sorry you found yourself here friend.

The lawyers (whom I’ve spoke with) are completely clueless and are selling us up the river. They swear it’s a depression we suffer from! Nonsense! This is just an easy way out for them to make the quick buck, because the public/jurors know depression. This is NOT A DEPRESSION like I’ve also stated in my earlier posts. It is exactly as this person has described it. An absolute state of internal cognitive displacement, sedation, amnesia, or a form of chemical lobotomy. The suffering is experienced internally, and is not seen on the outside. Like a state of early dementia/alzheimers. It amazes me how we are able to speak in this state, because the words are not formed in our minds, and seem to come out of an unseen, submerged, underwater cave in our minds. We seem to function internally in our minds like sedated lobotomized automatons, but there is no feeling of sadness or depression, because our ability to feel depressed is erased, because our brain is now “enslaved” to this hellish state. Your right, it feels that we are headed towards a total comatose vegetative state, and the eventual inability to respond to our surroundings or stimuli. The ONLY sickness from propecia use, that can lead to homelessness, disability and unemployment.

Hopefully, the neurosteroid study will change that.

i have spoken to several lawyers and not one of them felt this was depression, and they agreed it is a very serious medical condition, so my experience with the lawyers has been very different than yours robertino

You might want to stop the Phosphatidylserine. It lowers cortisol

I can also relate to the St Johns Wort. Made brain fog absolutely horrible.

Live as a naturally as you can…somehow peacefully accept and let go of your imbalance.
Truly Believe that you can heal and get back to normal.
Your internal belief system is crucial now, as well as, living peacefully and healthy.

You say you have some kind of heart problems. Have you used CDP-Choline or other choline (or serine) supplements for long ? CDP-choline especially caused heart problems for me. It lowered my heartbeat and i felt like my heart would skip beats once in a while, especially when i laid down. I think other strong choline supplements also did this for me but only milder (with lecithine i didn’t notice anything). Phosphatidylserine also did something weird for my body… i got sick very easily. Maybe it somehow increases inflammation in the body due to decrease in cortisol.

I’ve also tried most other supplements you mention and didn’t find much benefits. I believe it’s best to use as few supplements as phossible cause you don’t really know what side effects do they cause in a long run or even how they really affect your body. I suggest you drop atleast choline and serine supplements.

I myself have found that digestion and bowel problems have a lot to do with my problems. Sugar, wrong kinds of probiotics (l-lactic acid producing) and acidic things like vinegar and soft drinks cause my problems to worsen. I get white tongue, increased brainfog, get super tired and get sick easily. So most propably I’ve had wrong kind of bacterial flora that has partly caused my problems. I’ve found that coconut oil helps alot (it kills bacteria and yeast), and i don’t have white tongue anymore and my brainfog is slightly better. Also i did food intolerance test (elisa) and found that i have intolerance to wheat (+ gluten in general) and eggs. Avoiding these foods have also improved my symptoms. Also I believe that my previous prostate problems were caused by some kind of inflammation in my bowels cause i don’t have prostate problems anymore.

I believe that i’ve had some kind of inflammation in my brain as well causing the brainfog and many other symptoms and it takes time for my body to heal from the damage. At the moment i use vitamin D (50Mcg) for immune system and bowel health, vitamin K2 (15mg) for countering prostaglandin e2 and clearing phossible calsifications caused by inflammation,
Zinc-carnosine (16mg) for helping to repair damage + countering inflammation + other benefits, Kre-Alkalyn creatine (750mg) for increasing atp and energy + dht and neurotransmitter benefis + myelin repair, omega 3 2000mg (just for in case=)). Alson multivitamin and occational vitamin c. Coconut oil up to 50g/day to keep small intestine bacterial overgrowth in check.

I’ve also used detoxifiers such as chlorella and now foods liver regenerator wich i think have helped some. For example i can tolerate caffeine now alor better, but still want to avoid it.

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1.5 hours of cardio per day is likely too much. As most here seem to do best on a paleo-type lifestyle (diet and exercise), you may do better in drastically cutting down your exercise routine. Contact me by PM if you want to discuss some resources to consult. My ability to exercise is drastically below pre-fin levels and if I exercise too much for me now the mental sides are exacerbated.

You’ve done a good job of identifying some of the lesser recognized aspects that some of us face daily. In particular I think you’ve described the aging of vision and visual recognition well:

Out of curiosity, how long did it take for you to compose this post?

Markus. Like yourself and No, I’ve have the same problems for years since stopping. There is no ability ‘truly focus’ and our vision seems to process information to the brain through a ‘cheese clothed’ kind of filter. The information that is sent to our minds is filtered, or delineated, and offset. Hard to explain. The information in front of us (when looking at something for example) is completely toned down in description, and somewhat of a blur, or haze visually. Seems that our brains, are not able to process information correctly, and our vision seems to process objects/people/things in a similar way as to when a person is heavily drunk or drugged.

It is like we are walking around using instincts alone, and somewhere inside of us, is steering us in a direction, without thinking about where we are going. There was also a time when I could not fall asleep literally for two weeks straight.

Choline is extremely unlikely to be the cause of my slow and irregular heart rate. I have just started cdp-Choline and have had the heart block for over a year at least. A heart rate of 24 at night can’t be caused by Choline suplements that I have used only for periods. I also don’t know if Propecia is the cause of my Heart rate or low bloodcount values. They are probably the result of complex physical and biochemical processes caused by deregulated hormonal systems or even brain damage? I have also never read anywhere that Pregnenolone can cause a second degree hart block.

Phosphatedylserine seems to help a little bit with my symptoms (I don’t know for sure), it is unfortunate that it lowers Cortisol though. Is there any way to raise Cortisol levels? Could it be that Phosphatedylserine can make dark circles under my eyes worse? Low Cortisol and adrenal fatigue is sometimes associated with dark circles.

I do 1.5 hours of Cardio and Weight lifting exercises. But I do them throughout the day (Never longer than 10 to 15 minutes at a time). I have tried not working out for months and it makes me feel even worse.

I also suffered heart problems after stopping propecia. When I was on the drug, for about a month and a half, I had immense pain in the center sternum area of my chest daily for weeks. It felt as if a heavy anvil was continuously pressed against my chest. This was one of the reasons I stopped taking the drug. It was terrifying.

After stopping the drug it became worse. Initially, I noticed an artifically very slow heart rate, as well as, heart palpitations, and had to wear a heart monitoring device for 24 hours. The doctors found diddly squat…
I’ve given up on the medical community. Waste of time.

I apologize for bringing up this old thread. My energy level is so low that I have to take amphetamines to stay awake, and they do nothing for cognition/brain fog. Gathering the energy to type this post took 2 hours.

I am trying to get in contact with the OP. His symptoms fit mine very well. I do not know how to pm somebody. Does anyone have any contact with him and if he got better?

I’m bottoming out and feel like I’m on my last breathe. Of course the doctors do nothing, even though my testosterone is that of a 90 year old man, and my cortisol levels are barely above being alive. All the Endos say that ‘my vital signs are fine so there is nothing to worry about’. My pre-brain fog and chronic fatigue self would have beaten the shit out of him and came on his face while he wriggled on the floor, but unfortunately I am at the point where fighting for myself is nearly impossible, seeing as how I barely have the energy to get dressed in the morning.

I will try to do an intro post. I apologize, I’m so down right now and can’t summon the energy. Looking for help.

lowbrainpower@gmail.com

I have not gotten any better, my symptoms have been worsening the last 4 years to the point where I am almost fully disabled and feeling absolutely unbearable and horrible 24/7.

Here is someone who has the almost same symptoms as me. Maybe the cause of the severe brain problems is the Hypothalamus? The Hypothalamus regulates emotion, sleep cycles, food intake, endocrine systems, neurotransmitters, hormones via the Pituitary gland. Calorie restriction seems to help a little bit, this would also suggest an involvement of the hypothalamus.
http://www.allthingsmale.com/forum/showthread.php?20917-College-student-with-secondary-hypogonadism-hypothyroidism-and-brain-fog-please-help

If you are soooo desperate, supplements/drugs don’t help, and want to experiment, you might want to look at fasting. There are a couple threads open.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6142
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7539
Apparently fasting helps the most on mental clarity.

Mr. No,

I completely relate to all of what you just said. It all started after I fainted one day (out of the blue-I never faint) and the day after I woke up just “off.” After that I have felt strange, disconnected, and the feeling started to get worse-can’t follow motion, sensitive to light and sound, faint dizziness, felt like I was walking in water or something, all of the colors are just too clear, or foggy or something like that-walking in an Alice and Wonderland sort of thing. It HAS gotten somewhat better with detox methods and treating for Lyme disease. I had many bands on my Lyme test and was almost CDC positive (the only reason I wasn’t positive was because the 2 bands that aren’t included in the test are the ones that were used for the Lyme vaccine (which I never had). Therefore, I shouldn’t have antibodies for this band. However, I do because, well, I am certain I have Lyme DIsease. Are you sure you don’t have this? The idea is that some people are just SO sick that the antibodies for Lyme don’t show because the immune system is THAT bad. In otherwords, your body wants to fight it, but it is having severe problems showing that it is fighting it because your immune system is that “shot.”
Gosh, I completely feel for you though. My life is completely on hold. It is debilitating and so frustrating at the same time. No one should have to live like this…and we won’t, once we are treated and “cured” or in remission, or whatever the heck you want to call it.

Zipster, I assume you aren’t suggesting men with persistent side effects from Finasteride all have Lyme disease, as not only is this statistically improbable, it ignores all known mechanisms of action of the drug which can cause the side effects mentioned (sexual, mental, physical). If your issues are due to Lyme disease, get treated for it and your neurological side effects should clear up. However, that is a different issue than the men here are facing.

I have similar brain problems. Particularly the bit about anesthetic in the forehead. I have that feeling ALL THE TIME. Also, my ears are constantly feeling like they need to pop, like I just got off an airplane, and this extreme head pressure has been there for probably 2 years now. Just recently I started losing my sight. It begins by not being able to read words that I look right at; there is a white spot in the way, like I have just been staring at a light bulb. After about 15 minutes the spots go away, but I lose all peripheral vision for another 15 minutes. Sometimes this is accompanied by headaches, but sometimes not. It has happened 4 times in 2 weeks, and never happened before that.

Try licorice root.

No, seriously.

It helped my brainfog, but by the time I tried it, my brain fog had healed a lot on it’s own.

have you heard anything about “No”? he was suffering so bad and didnt come forum again.

This type of topic makes me sick. 1.5 hours of cardio under theses circumstances couldn’t lead to anything different. This guy felt better on pregnenolone, good tip! But supplementing with pregnenolone taxes the thyroid. This guy metabolism was collapsing and he kept doing the wrong thing (exercises and wrong supplements). I hope he is Allright. He could seriously benefit from a full hrt (adrenals, thyroid and gonads)

I can’t access my old account. I have never really improved. Some periods I can do some work, others I am fully disabled. I feel horrible all the time. Here is my Longecity thread:

Constant Heavy Drunk/Drugged/Sedated Brain with Dimmed vision and Anhedonia

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