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#21

Boston I’ve had a very similar experience a few times with Russian girls, not Asian. It got me going. The last time though I was tapped out after and it took two weeks before I felt like doing anything sexual. I guess I just got really worn down.

These last 2 weeks I’ve been having very vivid dreams too and getting nocturnals although they aren’t full on, maybe 75%.

Signs are encouraging though that some movement is happening in the hormone profile. I just notice that when I mess with sex too much I get worn out again.

#22

martinM,

I recall reading your story a while back. It’s good to hear that you had a similar experience and felt that it was it encouraging.

I can see you could feel you got worn out since many of us are not having sex multiple days in a row. I have now been back in the US for a couple of weeks and I feel less interested than I did when I was in China. When I was there, I was flirting with women in public and getting spontaneous erections.

I didn’t feel worn out when I was there even after a few days of sex. I certainly don’t think that having sex is the cure, but I do believe these situations help our bodies make more testerone. I have read a few articles on line about how having sex helps the body to recruit more testosterone.

I think the most interesting part of the trip to me was the physical and mental aspect of it. I was incredibly stimulated and felt my brain and dick were one again.

I know most of us have a diminished sexual libedo. I think it’s important to still maintain a sex life, as I think it will help us in some way.

Have you been to an endo dr yet? Also, are you currently taking any medications to help with your recovery like clomid, hgh, etc?

I will be having a 2nd blood test done in Oct and seeing an endo dr then. I do feel I have seen signs of improvement since the last one was taken 4 months ago. I feel mentally sharper, sex is getting better. My orgasms better, I have no brain fog any more.

I don’t feel much change in the libedo department, other than my China trip. I am hoping the blood test at least comes back slightly better and my body is recovering on it’s own.

#23

Boston,

Yeah, I do get worn out. The more activity the worse it gets. I think I’m going to tell the girl before i go that we’re having sex maximum once every 3 days to start. I don’t mind going down, actually this is one of the things that gets me feeling better. I think when it’s close enough so you can smell it your body reacts more than trying to feel something through a condom (the russians are smart enough not to take birth control hormones because it fucks their systems up and they lose interest in sex)…but in general i think it is also important to have sexual contact, your body definitely reacts to it. That’s why I’m going for this girl, she knows I took it and still wants me even though I still can’t recognize my face under the feminine features added by propecia.

I was at an endo last year but they just took some blood tests and said there’s nothing we can do. The tests were limited I think. I’m going to post them this weekend, finally have them all together. Free test was out of range (low). Don’t recall the others. To be fair to the doc I was a total nut job when i went for the visit, propecia gave me horrible brain fog which has subsided mostly and made me bipolar, also subsided. So I’m going to visit another in the same office in Oct but I don’t have a good feeling about her, I’m going to look around for another. Fortunately my flex plan resets Oct 1 so I put a couple grand on for blood tests. I’m about to post in the hormone tests about which and how much.

I have not taken anything but cod liver oil and melatonin for sleep in the last 6 months. My system cannot handle other overload. Depending on the results for the blood tests I might try something else but I’m more likely to hold off and keep taking it slow the next couple years given some people have a decent recovery rate after 3 years. The catch is the more I do the more tired and less feeling I have. Too much sex and I can’t feel enough to orgasm. And very little libido.

#24

The past couple of weeks for me I have unquestionably felt more energetic and physically stronger. I thought I was becoming physically stronger last week during my work outs at the gym. I figured I would wait until the end of this week to be sure, it wasn’t a rare occurance for before even mentioning it.

My body has gained a fairly substaintle amount of muscle and the workouts are starting to feel satisying again. When I was trying to exercise when I first quit this pill, 8 months ago it was absolute agony. I got on the scale a few times in the last few days. I have gained 6lbs of muscle during the last month or so. I swear I’m feeling that sensation of testosterone flowing through my blood again. I know a lot of guys are so bummed out about the sexual aspect, that I could care less about the physical changes. I suspect they are related.

I will be meeting with an endo dr on Tuesday for the first time. I will be running my 2nd blood test, probably this week. The prior one was done about 3.5 months ago. I am anxious to find out if there have been improvements to T and free T levels. It certainly feels as though there has been an improvement for me.

My theory has been that if we can merely get our Total and free T levels back within a healthy range, the other enzymes that have been negatively impacted may also begin to come back into range.

Now sexually my libido is still screwed up for sure. However, there have been many positive changes. I continue to feel as though I am getting erections in my sleep and having dreams at the same time. It’s strange because, I don’t wake up with a hard on and I’m not sure at what point during the night this is happening, but it is happening very frequently. I had an amazing experience on a trip to Asia two weeks ago.

To date my recovery is all about exercising as much as possible, especially weight training. I have an incredibly disiplined healthy diet, whole wheat, Oats, Nuts, Fruit, vegtables, beans, lean meats only chicken, turkey and soy; authentic Taiwaniense Green Tea every day. Green tea has been proven to be one of the best things for the prostate.

wholehealthmd.com/ME2/dirmod … D8A3A96C8C

healthnews.com/natural-healt … -3339.html

and Making sure that I have sex on a regular basis. I have not tried any medications or T therapy and I am hoping I will not need to.

#25

What an overall c rappy experience. First, I got in the office and I’m sitting with a bunch of people in their 60’s. What a horrible dose of reality.

I sat in the waiting room and a young cute nurse asked me questions about my problem and took notes. Then the Dr came in. The nurse started to read off of her notes to him in front of me; and clearly I wanted to interject as she was missing things. Wouldn’t it make more sense if I explained my problems?

The Dr was a royal prick. After the nurse was done. I added some things she missed. He said propecia doesn’t affect testosterone levels. I tried to talk to him in a way as to respect him as a doctor, but tell him what I was experiencing. He was absolutely arrogant.

He started to say my total T level was fine and insisted that Free T is not an accurate essay and shouldn’t be given much weight. I mentioned that there were other proteins and enzymes involved; and then hundreds of other men like me were also suffering from the same problems. I had brought the list of proteins and enzymes that are recommended to test for on this site. He said there is no sense in testing for all of those items as they have little or no effect on what your feeling.

The guy was practically arguing with me at one point when I brought up Dr Chrisler’s name. This clearly isn’t going to be the guy that helps me. The guy looked me up and down and said you’re a perfectly healthy guy. What an idiot. It’s what going on inside my body, not outside.

I’m very frustrated. I had to wait 3 months for this apt to meet with this old arrogant jerk.

I will go for a blood test tomorrow morning. They will be testing a lot less than what I was looking for. I now need to begin looking for a new endocrinologist. Someone that is understanding of what we are experiencing. Does anyone know of a good endo Dr in the New England Area? I might even be willing to travel outside of it at this point.

#26

I am not typically a violent guy, but stories like this really get me wanting to cause physical pain to this fucking moron. Or better yet, have him face all of our side effects. Unfortunately, this is the norm for guys in our situations. Dr.s who think they are omnipotent gods when they are clearly uninformed about what this drug can do and have no idea what they are talking about. So frustrating. As long as I’ve been dealing with this you’d think I’d be used to it by now. It still gets me so fired up…

Good luck with your search for a competent Dr. You’re going to need it.

#27

That’s unfortunate, but a typical experience for most guys when they go to visit their docs about this problem.

I’m just curious though – you posted this thread as a “recovery” (this section for guys who have nearly or completely recovered from drug’s side effects), yet it sounds like you’re still having problems.

Thus, I see this thread more as an extension of your Member Story – propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2542 – and can see it having more relevance if it were moved there. Your comments?

#28

Mew,

sorry maybe misunderstood the use of the recovery area of the website. I’m definitely far from full recovery. I started the thread as a recovery for me, because I began to see positive signs that I am improving and thought they might be worthwhile to share.

Let me know if you prefer that I ad my posts to “my original story” thread.

CDnuts,

I am a pretty laid back guy for the most part, but this guy was pissing me off. He’s an old timer Dr. He probably takes offense to anyone trying in inform him about anything. I need to go back to this office one more time to review my blood test and hopefully get some type of script for clomid or TRT. If he refuses to right a script for me, I’m going to tell him off in a big way.

I felt great when I went away on a trip 3 weeks ago, but reality has set in and I’m far from recovered. It seems the longer we are off of this drug we gradually get better, but having low T levels for an extended period of time is very unhealthy. I am determined to find something that works for me. I am thinking of trying to find a way to try HGH. God knows I’ll never get a dr. to write script for me.

#29

Yes, until users have nearly (ie 80-90%) or completely (100%) recovered from their longterm side effects, it is advisable we keep things to Member Story section.

For those that do recover (not right after discontinuation, we’re talking the longterm sufferers), the RECOVERIES section is the place to share HOW THEY DID SO so others can hopefully try to replicate their success.

That said, I have merged your Recovery thread to your Member Story. Cheers.

#30

Good. And if that happens, please share with us. Not that it will help our situation at all, but this guy needs an earfull.

I would say that I am definitely in the 80-90% range of recovered and sometimes even more. I just take the word recovered to be just that, recovered. Based on those guidelines I could post there, but I’m going to wait until I get even further along the road. I think that’s a huge thing to say that you are all better, especially after what we’ve all been through. Not something to be taken lightly. Actually, IMO there are too many posts in that section that don’t belong there. I will post there one day, just not yet.

#31

CDnuts,

Do you mind if I ask what you did, that you believe might have helped your recovery. Were there any medications that you used or TRT?

#32

No, no meds. After this whole mess I swore off the pharmaceutical industry for good. I’m not saying they don’t have a place, emergency medicine that is. But when you actually look into the drug industry and start following the money trail, you learn what a big scam it is. They are out for one thing and one thing only, money. It’s a billion dollar a year industry. They don’t want people to get better, they want people to continue buying their drugs. That’s what they’re in business for, to sell drugs.

Anyway, I could go off for hours about that topic but to answer your question, I attribute a few different things to my increase in health thus far. I have been off the drug since 6/15/07 and since that time I have done two extended water fasts each one lasting 21 days. I would follow up each fast with a very strict raw food diet that would accelerate the healing process even more. The first raw food diet lasted 9 months and the second one lasted three. Each time I noticed huge increases in my health and vitality. Between these times I did a juice feast that lasted for 45 days wherein I consumed any where from 5 to 6 liters of fresh, raw fruit and vegetable juices only. During the juice feast I took supplements such as bee pollen and coconut oil.

Basically I massively detoxed my system. During these periods I made sure to get as much sun as I possibly could along with exercise as intense as I could stand it. I also tried to get very good rest.

Upon coming off of the raw diet I kept my diet fairly clean. I included lean meats, eggs and cooked veggies to the large quantities of raw food I was still consuming.

Where I noticed the most help was when I recently started adding in natural T boosting and E lowering supplements cycling them everyday. Also the addition of the Ball Zinger really, really helped.

I continue to exercise intensely and I also recently added creatine to my post workout drink. My physique has totally transformed since adding in the supps and creatine. It actually looks like I work out now. I’m also wondering if the creatine is helping my overall condition based on the article that was recently posted.

So there you have it. Everything I do for the most part is for the benefit of my health and with the increase of my health in mind. After all of my research and study I don’t believe we can be fixed with pharmaceutical drugs. That being said, if they came up with a pill that could bring us back to our post-fin selves, I’d be the first in line to get. But knowing what I know now about our health, I highly doubt that’s possible. I’ve found sticking to nature to be the best medicine one could possibly take.

#33

I work out pretty heavy too and have tried fasting and raw diets. Lately I started taking a whey protien powder mixed with milk after workouts. It also has a group of amino acids in it. I noticed a large difference in all areas. But I’m still in the honeymoon period (1 week) so it hasn’t stood the test of time.

I’ve also made my workouts shorter than 45 min and more intense and drink the mix immediately after while my heart is still up.

#34

What does that actually mean? You’ve either fasted, or you haven’t. You’ve either done it for the theraputic length of time, or not.

Same goes for the diet. Have you stayed 100% raw for at least three months? Most people when they say they’ve tried it, means that they did it for a couple days and then couldn’t take it anymore. Hardly enough time for benefits to show.

I’m just curious as to what your experience has been.

#35

If Prolactin levels are raised in our bodies our Dopamine levels will be lowered. Dopamine is critical to mental clarity and other sexual functions in the body.

The Amino Acid L-Tyrosine can be converted in our bodies into Dopamine. I wasn’t sure if my body was too screwed up for it to even work. I went to Vitmain shoppe yesterday and bought a bottle of 500mg tablets. I took one after breakfast yesterday.

I felt I knew something was different. I felt mental clarity within a couple of hours. By noon time, I was sure I felt mentally sharp. The night prior my eyes were bothering me. I had no problems at all. I felt real good. I was going take the pills for a week, just to be sure the L-Tyrosine was what was helping me. Then I got up today took another pill about an hour after breakfast. I feel fantastic mental clarity. My eyes feel great too. I felt I should let you guys know about this.

Now my real hope is that this won’t be temporary. But, I’m very happy because now this proves to me that a large part of our problem is in the Pituitary Gland and Prolactin.

Whether it’s sex, eating, taking risks, achieving goals, or drinking water, all increase dopamine, and dopamine turns on your reward circuitry. You can think of dopamine as the “I’ve got to have it” neurochemical, whatever “it” is. It’s the “craving” signal.

The more dopamine you release and the more your reward circuit is activated, the more “reward” you experience. A good example is food. We get a much bigger blast of dopamine eating high-calorie foods than we do low-calorie foods. It’s why we choose chocolate cake over Brussels sprouts. Our reward circuit is programmed so that “calories equal survival.” You’re not actually craving ice cream, or a winning lotto ticket, or even a romp in the sack. You’re craving the dopamine that is released with these activities. Dopamine is your major motivation, not the item or activity.

reuniting.info/science/sex_in_the_brain

#36

This is exactly why it is so hard for people to change their diets. They are going against the natural circuitry that is programmed into our minds for survival. Not an easy thing to do.

#37

cdnuts,

What are you talking about? I posted that I took L-Tyrosine and I feel fantastic mental clarity. What does that have to do with diet?

Anyway, for those that are interested. I am on day three of using this Amino acid, L-Tyrosine. I have not felt this mental clarity in years. My eyes feel fantastic too. It almost feels like I’m alive again. Let’s just hope it continues.

#38

What intrigues me about this story is that in china you felt good but after the trip things weren’t quite the same. Is it possible that a change in diet may have affected the way you feel? Were you eating different foods in china? I know Chinese food that is authentic is a hell of a lot different than the Chinese-American stuff you eat in restaurants here.

#39

This article states that excessive use of tyrosine will actually decrease dopmine levels. The subjects were given 20 grams of tyrosine which does seem like alot:

Another study was conducted by Struder et al. [16]. In this study, subjects were given either placebo, paroxetine (an SSRI), BCAAs, or 20 grams of tyrosine and cycling performance was measured. Tyrosine did not improve performance on any measure. However, the hormonal profile in the subjects consuming tyrosine was indicative of a decrease, rather than an increase in central dopamine levels. This is consistent with animal studies, which indicate that excessive quantities of tyrosine decrease dopamine levels [14].

Here is the link:
1fast400.com/a18_L-Tyrosine_Profile.html

#40

BadLuck,

The study you listed is 20 grams of Tyrosine. I am taking 500mg of Tyrosine. That dosage in the study you listed would 40 times the amount I am taking.

This is a direct quote from your link:

I listed this in my story, because I feel very much mentally sharper. I wanted to share this with you guys in hopes to try to help someone else. It is an amino acid that would be found in protein lsources like chicken and turkey. I feel that this makes this a safe option for trying to increase my dopamine levels. It’s definitely working for me. I’ll have continue to watch it and hope it’s not temporary. I’m certainly not trying to persuade anyone to try Tryosine, just looking to share what it has done for me.

You listed an article that shows excessive Tyrosine can lower your Dopamine. Here are a couple of articles that show that Tyrosine can raise Dopamine.

l-tyrosine.net/

thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/i/i_03/ … m_que.html