Are Statins also causing erectile dysfunction and persistent health damage?

Scientific literature and other sources are increasingly finding statins to be causing erectile dysfunction.

PFS patients who have been around for a while may remember that literature about the Post-Finasteride Syndrome initially only talked about erectile dysfunction. All other symptoms were carefully ignored, probably because they just didn’t make sense, and where hard to explain from a scientific point of view. As the years went by, the list of persistent symptoms that were accepted to be part of PFS grew longer and longer, but still hasn’t reached the full scope we know to be true. Just like was the case with PFS, publications about statins are now starting to talk about depression as well.

Just recently, a member of this forum informed me that he knew someone who got PFS very similar to his own condition from statins. His message prompted me to look into statins a little, and I found this article:

Western blotting revealed that both mevastatin and simvastatin downregulated AR and PSA protein.

By downregulating the Androgen Receptor, statins have anti-androgenic effects. It is at least plausible, that through this property, statins are causing a condition similar to the Post-Finasteride Syndrome, namely sexual dysfunction, depression and possibly other similar persistent neurological and physical side effects.

I would be extremely interested to hear from any statin cases which present a persistent condition anywhere similar to this. If you were taking statins, quit, and are now suffering of what we inadequatly call “PFS”, please let us know about this. After finasteride, dutasteride, saw palmetto extract, isotretinoin, gnrh-analogs, antidepressants - the picture might just have become bigger again… (all of these substances have anti-androgenic properties)

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Notice the same muscle related disorders mentioned on side effects of statins as well as in pfs…Rare muscle weakness, loss and damage…

Also liver and kidney damage…

I saw your request for SEO go out, so I’m assuming you’re already thinking about this, but how can we drive people who have been affected by anti-androgens to this site? I think some rebranding coupled with SEO may help. I wonder how many people googled our symtoms from let’s say accuntane, but never bothered to enter the site because they had not taken Propecia (Afterall the site is called Propecia help). I understand there is balance between casting too wide of a net and keeping our focus too narrow, but in my rabbit hole of internet searching there are so many subsets of people who have similar issues (antibiotics, illegal drugs, birth control, etc.) I still think it’s unclear how we define our issue or cast our net. Is it “endrocrine disruptors” or “anti-androgens?”This site may be taken more seriously one day if the net is cast wider and not so focused on Merk and Propecia being the devil.

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Very curious on the use of statins as well. @awor What underlying mechanisms are similar between Finasteride and Statins? They both inhibit an enzyme, but it doesn’t seem they inhibit the same enzyme?

It’s a different mechanism than finasteride. While finasteride reduces AR activation by reducing its substrate DHT, statins actually induce the degradation of the AR by a currently poorly understood mechanism. With less androgen receptors floating around in the cell, you also end up with less AR activation. So the end result between inhibiting 5AR and reducing AR levels is broadly speaking the same, namely reduced androgenic action.

decreased AR protein levels by increasing AR proteolysis

Think of it in electrical terms: Finasteride cuts the electricity while statins knock out the light bulb. The result is the same, you’re sitting in the dark.

The Caucci/Lamara paper has shown that PFS patients have an overexpressed AR as a result of androgen deprivation (though finasteride in our case). To continue with the above metaphor: If you’re sitting in the dark, your eyes become super sensitive to light, trying to overcome the darkness. After a while, if normal light levels come back, you would be blinded and not be able to see for a short while. Normally, baseline sensitivity to light would quickly return.

Our problem seems to be, that this oversensitivity (= AR overexpression) doesn’t seem to return to baseline. So we stay blinded, still metaphorically speaking.

The big question is, why is this mechanism of returning to baseline “stuck”. Baylor is looking at exactly this question, if they would finally publish…

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Does this idea hold true when you only say in the dark for two days, metaphorically speaking? (I.e took two doses of fin) it still shocks me how something like that can happen with such few doses. I don’t even think rat poison would do that damage so quickly. This leads me to believe it’s either acute brain damage or some sort of switch that was flipped. (vs is long term exposure causing dysregulation)

Yes two big questions…Thats why I worry the longer it goes the more people are gonna expect from this study and it raises more doubts as to why it has not published…I just hope politics is not involved…I believe these studies are surveiled.especially in the US…

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How long do studies like these typically take? I also worry that we’ve waited so long that we might have started to expect too much. Could it be that they aren’t finding the underlying mechanism yet and that’s why it has dragged out for 6 years?

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me too. i think full blown pfs is the most horrible condition someone can have. hiv is more curable than pfs im sure. i would rather have hiv

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i think the mechanism is so complex that no one can fix it. i mean we have 2018 and still nobody knows what happened to us. how scary is that ?

pfs foundation should do studies outside of the US

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Agree hopefully it’s not like autism - they have spendthrift millions on research and have no clue. The best answer is it’s “many syndromes” categorized as one

i highly doubt that a medication induced condition is comparable to genetic diseases. i mean i hope so. i hope everything you can change the bad you can change good again

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I hope so too :slight_smile: for the sake of all of us

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i hope in 10 years we are good

Statins also lower cholesterol… Cholesterol is needed (precursor) to biosynthesize androgens.

Low cholesterol = low androgens

This is not going to sound deep but it actually is: all drugs are poison.

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not really. i never had problems with ibuprofen or something like thar…

Rebranding is definitely something to consider at the right point in time. I don’t believe rebranding alone will bring us more non-PFS users though. We’re gong to work different strategies in the mean time, try to get the numbers from related syndromes up, and then rebranding will probably be the thing to do. Very smart comment btw :slight_smile:

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