Anyone suffering from alcoholism or borderline alcoholism?

General Discussion
#6

Your right. It is a moment where the drink does take a little edge off the misery. Not to air my ‘personal laundry’ but at this point who cares? I live in a very toxic stressful environment with an old fashion, hard ass dad, who is really become hostile towards me ever since I got sick. He doesn’t believe me, and is pushing hard to get me to move out. I am miserable. I have trouble getting work and have been devastated by this drug. I used to have decent paying work, but that all changed in 2008. A train wreck is what my life has become. My brain fog is another reason I drink. It is extremely uncomfortable living with heavy cognitive change. Like living in a comatose state.

I also lost my mother to cancer a year ago. My dad takes out his stress on me. I am trying to find a way to move out asap, but it’s been a nightmare, when your own dad, becomes your enemy, and not trying to understand you and help. Prison seems to be a more comfortable place, when you have my tragic situation, and your sick as fuck.

Kicking this habit is not easy, but I’d rather drink beer, and wine, to change how I feel somewhat, take the edge off, rather than putting a pharmacological drug into my system to take the edge off.

#7

Dude. If you ever read ‘my propecia nightmare book’ on what I’ve been through up to this point, you would get it.
Been suffering over 4 years now. I also watched and took care of mother as she was dieing an excruciatingly painful, slow death from cancer. I have suffered and continue to suffer in more ways than just being sick from propecia…
Like I said, I am not proud of this, but if you walked in my shoes a mile, you would understand the hell I’ve been through and still in. I have no one to help me at all. Just my screwed up self. Not just simple dick issues, like others on this page. I’ve been through hell and still there. Dick issues, for me, is pussy, compared to what brain fog does to you.

#8

Good classic song, that sheds some truth…and so, so true fella’s.

youtube.com/watch?v=IhxTSRQ891M

#9

Hey how old are you robertino? Just curious. Also, i stayed almost drunk every day the last two months. Finally i am now staying w family and getting sober. I am on an antidepressant. I have to say my mental state is not great, but its much more manageable. For example, they had a party saturday and i got drunk. Felt like i took ten steps back. Drinking wont help man

#10

Ageless, like yourself. I like old, weird, good music, if that’s why your asking my age. I hate the crap that’s passes for music now. Damn, I’ve been there dude, but I have no family that would take me in. My mom was the only person in the world who understood me. She passed away last year, so I’m stuck with the fire breathing terminator. Propecia fucked my world up. I’m in a bad living situation, and that’s why I have been taking to the booze. My dads a real working class barbarian with absolutely no emotional intelligence or empathy. A terminator. Very abusive towards me and makes me knpw I’m not welcome at home. I feel stuck, but I’ve been sober since yesterday. I’m doing my best to stop. Been hiking alot lately to cope with the unnatural high levels of stress propecia created in me.

#11

No I cant drink as much as I used to because of fin.

#12

yeah me, too I never was a “heavy” Drinker, may be all 3-4 weeks but never realy drunken. After fin, I would win every dinking contest, I never get drunken… weird. now I strast to respond more and more normal to Alcohol, but I do not overdo it. Life sucks with PFS, now when I get drunk a bit I feel like a human, I know it is not a good idea…keep in mind it also lowers androgen levels, so somme feel a bit better other worse. It all depends on how you still respond to androgens.

#13

Alcoholism is being one of the few valves for leaks in order to deal with this. But I try not to destroy the control liver too.

#14

You guys should have a look at paximperia’s posts. He also had a strong urge to consume alcohol, likely due to needing to compensate for neurosteroid inhibition.

At this point, given what we know about how fin damages the body and the potential worsening, why are you drinking at all? It may be bad, but it can always get worse…

#15

I think paximperia drank anyway like a lot of young guys, and was drinking heavier to try and escape the pain.

I get moderately drunk once a week. It doesn’t make me feel ill for days like some guys report, the hangovers only last a bit longer if I ever go overboard.

Strangely it seems to help in some ways. I feel less brain fog (or maybe it’s the booze making me more talkative), I get morning erections and some libido next day and sometimes a deeper sleep. Also I may have had a few beers and food yet I often have shed a pound or two - weight gain has been a PFS side. I wonder if the alcohol which is meant to lower T is somehow having a beneficial effect given that mildly anti-androgenic stuff has been said to help us.

#16

I agree the heavy drinking is bad. But I do feel slightly less fogged if I drink and definitely less foggy the next day. Also I believe in one of paximeria’s last posts, he stated the good news is that he “wasn’t an alcoholic anymore.”

#17

From paximperia:

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#18

That’s because, from what I’ve discovered, alchohol may be an answer to solving this illness. Alchohol seems to trigger unusual responses in my body. It decreases brain fog (especially red wine) for a moment, increases nocturnal erections, and allows me to sleep better. Originally, weeks off finasterdie, alchohol consumption would trigger panic attacks, breathing problems, my legs and feet falling asleep suddenly, heart palpitations. There is a link here!

If you read Dr. Deborah Finn’s journal on finasteride, she noticed in her studies, that:

“Manipulation of endogenous neurosteroid activity via bio-synthetic enzyme inhibition or antagonism of steroid binding to the GABA type A receptor may prove to be a beneficial pharmacotherapeutic strategy in the intervention of alcohol abuse and alcoholism.”

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16472716

There was also a guy on this forum who healed himself from brain fog after a long weekend of intense drinking. I forgot the members name, but I also feel and have experienced, that alcohol consumption triggers unusual responses in post finasteride use. Spontaneous and nocturnal erections larger penis size and balls. Personally, I think it’s a key ingredient in the puzzle of healing us. I’m convinced, that there is a link or answer somewhere here.

#19

Yes Robertino! I have been trying very hard to contact Deborah Finn, she is exactly who we need interested in our condition. Alcholol (vodka) has been amazing for me. 5 weeks ago I got completely drunk on like 10 vodka sodas. Since that time, I have been having night time, morning and even spontaneous erections…basically the next day. I have also had a big spike in my libido and no brain fog. This is after 7 months of havin periods like this that only lasted like 2-3 days

#20

it is strange.Many reported a crash the following day after heavy drinking.

#21

I am certainly convinced, that there is a definite link here - Alcohol use does trigger unusual events in our bodies, after and during finasteride usage. Many members have confirmed this.

I think she “might” be already on the finasteride foundation research team, but you would have to confirm ,that with the PFS Foundation, or Mew. Sadly, when I spoke to her over the telephone, years ago, she was a bit apprehensive, dismissive, and reluctant about helping us/me out. I told her my whole story, about the forum, and how we are all desperately seeking help. I did my best to ask her to help us out, but from what mew stated, years ago, she actually got aggravated, that many forum members were contacting her. Truth is, she recommended ‘certain’ anti-depressants to treat my brain fog and cognitive problems. Being honest here my friend. I’m hoping she’s changed her tone as of late, and is more willing to help with her expertise. Her contact info. is online.

#22

While drinking, members have reported feeling like their old selves temporarily, and in some cases, many have had an extremely difficult time getting drunk at all. There is a link here. I do not advocate drinking though. Not a good idea. Just an unusual occurence, that should not be dismissed towards finding a cure. Dr. Finn’s research is valid.

#23

SP- in August, I did have a crash after drinking several beers. My face got really red and warm (histamine) from the beer and that night had the worst brain/penis connection etc. However lately, it has been unbelievable. Too bad you dont drink SP. I am curious how you would feel.

I also dont believe crashes may be that bad for you. Check out what I posted under theories section “is crashing…good for you?”

Robertino- I didnt know people already had reached out to her, no wonder she hasnt been responding to me. However, she might be right about anti-depressents. This might really come down to a simple fix of balancing neurosteroids…I truly believe that this entire thing is neurologically related…and I am going to go as far as saying…it is reversible or at least treatable to a high degree.

#24

antidepressants will NOT fix pfs, and in fact might make the situation far worse … just saying

#25

I’d suggest contacting the PFS foundation, or mew directly. Ask if she’s on board, and then get back to me.
I can get in touch with her if need be. I have a way of doing so.