A new theory..... looking outside the box

Hey guys,

My name is Patrick and I’m a 25 year old engineering student from Holland (pls excuse my bad english).
Like most of you I got a lot of symptoms with the main thing being extreme ED.
Not gonna tell my whole story cause that would be a lot of typing, I just wanna get better and get my old life back.
We need to all start thinking together on how we can get better in stead of waiting for doctors or the goverment to help, cause those fuckers won’t. We need to start thinking ourselves out of the box. So I have a theory.

So I have been thinking… what if we are looking at it all wrong? I have seen some theories of people where they claim that DHT is too low or that estrogen is too high and it is not showing upon any blood tests… but what if the blood test is right? And the levels of those hormones are just like they need to be because they have restored themselves after stopping with finasteride.

Like most of you I have done some research on how finasteride works etc etc, and I came across a study which said that neurotransmitters stop working properly.
Now I’m not a doctor and I’m looking at it from a technical perspective, we have a lot of neurotransmitters and nerves, billions or so. And each one has to work for us to function normally. Now I look at the neurotransmitter/nerve like it being a bridge between your brain and the place it needs to go (for example your penis).
In my opinion finasteride does 2 things, yes it inhibits dht etc for a while but it also destroys the bridge, look at is like the bridge falling apart in two. Now when you stop the finasteride the enzyms in your body begin working again so the blood test that you take all show normal. But the bridge of neurotransmitters and nerves is still slowly falling apart so that the sigals from our brain can’t get properly to where they need to go.
I have also seen some succes stories about amino accids and tribulus and eating healthy, I also have read that aminoacids are beneficial to your neurotransmitters. Maybe a link? I think so.
So if we can agree on my theory that it is a neurological problem (like in neurotransmitters and nerves) then we can look to repair the bridge.

The problem with that is that it is diffucult, look at it from another angle. Its easy to destroy something and far more diffucult to repair it.

Now I don’t know enough about neurology etc and I’m not a doctor (I don’t even know if my theory is correct), but I will do further research about my theory. But since it’s google and just looking at it logically I ask you guys to help me. Pls start thinking outside the box, if you agree with me then also do some research. If you think it’s something else then pls share it so we can discuss it.

Since this is a theory I came up with yesterday and I’m not a doctor or anything I would like to know what you guys think.

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Hey man, helaas welkom op t forum, je moet dit eens lezen: http://www.protocol-online.org/forums/uploads/monthly_08_2010/msg-19273-027408800%201282061244.ipb

Sluit redelijk aan bij je gedachtegang. Naar mijn mening zit het probleem hem niet zozeer in het hormoonbalans, maar meer in de expressie van genen van bijvoorbeeld receptoren.

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There are many publications stating that as a result of 5AR being lowered, neuro-steroids are lowered as well. One of the threads here has multiple people posting their 3alpha-androstane-diol results and it seems to me that it is lowered in most people who consume finasteride.

I think liver theory best describes our condition.

5-alpha inhibitors and SSRI’s are poison for liver. as liver digests/metabolizes everything foods/drugs it is damaged/weakened by this drug so the drug isn’t metabolized by the liver properly and high amounts get circulated in blood stream causing damage to other parts of the body. from reproductive organs to all the other organs in body, also in brain it affects neurotransmitters.
this is why we see side affects so broad and baffling. we don’t know what organ was affected by this drug more severally adrenals/prostate/liver or brain to a degree all of them where affected.
food intolerance is caused by liver its and able to metabolize food properly. we see muscle atrophy it is inability for body to absorb protein that is why I think its liver related. diet and fasting can solve this in my opinion. I see lot of symptoms associated with malnutrition.

Just to make everything clear This is my opinion my theory my educated guess I could be wrong or I could be write I don’t know it my self.

What I believe for sure is recovery is possible with fasting, exercise and correct diet.

I wish you guys best of luck

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I had side effects within 2 hours of taking a small dose so I know my body reacted in such a negative way instantly and I also had dirrahea every day for months accompanied with dark urine. I’m wondering has anyone had stem cell therapy in Panama?

Search the forum, you will find that people have had stem cell treatments to no avail.

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Fucking hell man this is so messed up

@AnhedonicApe I’ll keep in in english so everyone can understand.
I have read the document and I think that what they are saying and the rsearch they have done so far is the right one. I agree with everything they say, it would make total sense on why it doesnt show up on any blood tests. But now the question remains how to fix it? Any thoughts? Could a long fast be able to reset your body?

Thats the hard part. There is not really something like that available. I am focussing on demethylation. I will try RG108 in the upcoming months for this.

A few examples,

Central nervous system agents in the treatment of erectile dysfunction: how do they work?

This is also one of the reasons I was looking at mk7 awhile back. Some of what this mentions here, microcirculation to the nerves, androgen/estrogen balance and coagulation balance.
But obviously eating natto or taking supplements isnt how this works in nature.

Dynamic balancing of autonomic nervous system through vitamin mk-7

Abstract

Sympathovagal balance is essential in maintaining internal homeostasis. Imbalance in this can lead to many disease conditions such as cardiovascular diseases, type 2 diabetes mellitus, high blood pressure, gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD), IBS, depression, COPD, etc. Sudden cardiac death and Myocardial infarction are result of autonomic dysfunction. Many drugs have been proposed for these conditions but lack in correcting the condition and can themselves produce side effects, such as prolongation of QT interval. Inventors of current invention observed serendipitously that vitamin MK-7 can restore the sympathovagal balance and also have cardio protective effect by shortening of QT interval and prolongation of RR interval. Further to this, it was also observed that vitamin MK-7 improves cardiac output, left ventricular work, HDL cholesterol and reduces blood sugar.

Also, another k2 signaling pathway

The steroid and xenobiotic receptor (SXR), beyond xenobiotic metabolism

Anyone tried the mk-7?

I have trialed extremely high doses for a period of months. There was definitely a mixed reaction. it would be alot for me to type at the moment, but my main takeaways are yes this could play a role and,
You dont supplement this directly, it could be dangerous. People in a already healthy state might benefit. If not this could make things worse.

Menaquinones.
A growth factor for h. pylori
gingivitis
p. acnes
staphylococcus aureus
virtually all bacteria

on another note there are some human genes that might have some insight into vitamin k handling
VKORC1 gene and there’s more.

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The Relationships Between Vitamin K and Cognition: A … - NCBI
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmc › articles › PMC6436180
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by L Alisi - ‎2019 - ‎Related articles

Mar 19, 2019 - In particular, vitamin K seems to have an antiapoptotic and … of Growth Arrest Specific Gene 6 and Protein S. Moreover, this vitamin is involved in … profile has been related to neuroinflammation and neurodegeneration .

This is a lazy post atm, but ill probably get back to some of this.

This review stems from a growing interest in the role of vitamin K in brain functions, especially in cognition, also in view of an expected increase of prevalence of Alzheimer’s disease and other forms of dementia. It collects recent researches that show interesting, even though not definitive, evidence of a direct correlation between vitamin K levels and cognitive performance.

I would say vitamin k is the biggest wild card of all the vitamins. There is much they dont know yet.