2% of men my ass!

Honestly how can Merck get away with this statement?! Is this referring to taking 1 pill? Was there an asterisk I missed? Like most people, I fell into the trap of buying into this statement.

If someone takes this pill long enough the chances of a side effect should be 100%…time to drink my broccoli juice :confused:

Why not post your story in the members story section so we can understand your history with the drug? It would be far more constructive than simply ranting.

Thanks.

Sorry for ranting Mew, I guess its the hormones :cry: I’ll post in the member’s story section.

the 2% is actually correct if you think about it.

  1. this product is actually FDA approved so MERKC aren’t allowed to simply just lie and make up there own statistics just to sell this product

  2. It is reported that millions of men take this drug in America, Australia, Europe and India. 2% of a million is 2,000 men.

if you had taken this drug and all had gone well for you would you have come on the internet to tell people? no of course not, it seems that the only people that have come on the internet are the ones who have had a problem with the drug and are trying to find a solution.

I am by no means defending this god awful drug, just getting a grip of reality!

To be perfectly honest, it IS possible for them to produce fraudulent studies and have them be FDA approved, and it is a fact that companies have ā€œghost-writtenā€ their so-called scientific studies and paid off doctors to have their names on it to ultimately be approved by the FDA before. This website is flooded with research proving that Finasteride does more than what the drug company claims.

Here’s an example – naturalnews.com/023074.html
ā€œThe only thing new about this issue is that it has been exposed in once-secret court documents that just happened to come out during a recent Merck trial.ā€

I understand where you’re coming from, but there’s more to this than what you’ve (intelligently) suggested. They’ve been caught lying before.

In our situation, they are either incorrect/dishonest about what Propecia can do, or the product they are selling is not finasteride. Finasteride’s adverse effects were definitely underplayed in the case of Propecia.

FDA approval means nothing, in reality. It’s all about $, and we are expendable. Numerous other drugs which were ā€œFDA approvedā€ and thus considered safe by the public (ie, Vioxx, Phen-Phen etc) have been pulled from the shelves due to the dangers they pose, despite FDA approval.

Percentages can easily be ā€œskewedā€ based on submitted data which is shown in the best probable light, and how it is ā€œinterpretedā€ by regulators who may have vested financial interests in the pharmaceutical industry.

The 2% side effect claimed by Merck is from the Propecia trials, but there are other trials that have been done with Finasteride which have noted the incidence of side effects to be much higher than just 2%.

Regarding 2%:
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=790
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392

Regarding FDA, Merck, stats etc:
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1363
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=387
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=969
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329

Troll.

i dont doubt that there is corruption within the ranks of MERCK but then again name me an organisation that isnt corrupt? The fact is out of all the men who take propecia, we are a very small minority that have reacted badly to the drug and i do sympathise with doctors who say to some of us that it is in our heads. you yourselves must admitt that when you read some posts, the comments made by some men seem some what paranoid and some side effects they claim to be getting don’t seem scientifically possible. but then again there paranoia could have been triggered by the drug? if you can watch a new film called bug, it kind of points out that when you do have a serious problem your mind can make it seem as if the problem is far worse than it actually is.

i my self am seekin psychological help to see if i find any answers.

  1. The drug can affect one’s mental state, due it’s action on various neurotransmitters in the brain via blockade of 5AR-derived neurosteroids.

So you are correct in that some of this is in our heads – just not in the way you are proposing. :wink:

  1. Gyno and physical changes to one’s dick and testes are not in someone’s head.

Good luck with your psychological support, it doesn’t change the fact that the mechanisms of action of this drug are first and foremost hormonal. You will likely not find any support for your ā€œit’s all in our headsā€ claim around this forum, sorry to tell you that. Hearing it from doctors is bad enough, hearing it from fellow forum members is just pointless.

no point was, when some one gets a disease that changes there life style like cancer, alot of mental issues follow with it, even though the cancer it self is not effecting the brain.

so a man has taken a drug and the next thing he knows is he has erectile disfunction which he knows there is a possibility that he could have it for the rest of his life. this would greatly distress the man and make him sick with worry even though the propecia hasnt effected his mind.

There is no way that this is all in our heads but what i am saying is some men on this forum come a cross to me as just tryna make there problem worse than it actually really is.

so my final point to them is not only seek help from doctors but try a psychological approach and see if they can clear there minds. oh and acupuncture is a huge help aswell!

The absolute worst thing that Finasteride has going for it from a safety-monitoring perspective is that it apparently allows many of its users a rebound period of one or two months after dropping it. So, in other words, even guys who had miserable side effects probably stopped taking it, felt fine, went home. I doubt that Merck followed up for a year or even six months after the FDA studies to make sure their study participants were all doing fine. I’d be really interested to know what happened to the original FDA group, like if any wound up like us in the longer term.

side effects are in less than 2% of men

propecia is for real men only

propeciahelp.com is run by a bunch of whining ass titty babies

user banned, see propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1469

Medical Company based in Spain is seeking people experiencing propecia side effects (living in Spain, Europe).
Please send your e-mail address by a private message to llorente (username)

WRONG! THINK MAN, THINK!

the studies/tests/trials from what i understand were valid for only 1 year. I believe that everybody the whole 100% of users will get fucked but ā€œWHENā€ will be directly proportional to their genetic makeup ie some men may have the fight to last up to 10 years on this shit before the side effects overcome them.

alexsiki,

I agree that if a more complex study was done by a neutral source the result would be close to 100% of men having side effects. The clinical reason that this drug works is suppressing DHT, which we know is important to a men’s overall function so of course it should effect 100% of men.

I know two other men that have taken propecia and both have had sexual side effects. It may only be a small microcosm of a study, but that’s 3 for 3/100% experiencing sides.

I would use an analogy of people that smoke. Will everyone get lung cancer and die in 15 years. No, but eventually you will have some health problems from smoking. If you take propecia, maybe your a workout nut and your body is able to produce more T than the average guy, so it takes the severe side effects longer to catch up with you. I believe this is exactly what happened with me.

There are a lot of intangibles, that can make the side effects progress at different levels in different men. We know this just by looking at all of the different blood results we have gotten. Some guys have low free and total T; some have just one low and the other appearing normal.

In my mind, it’s not if you will experience side effects it’s when.