By libido I mean desire to have sex a need for sex, a hunger for sex.
Mine is 0. I do not masterbate. The only time I do is to test if eveything is working.
Maybe if you have a desire for sex some viagra will be enough for you.
two spontaneous erections in 2 days… and before each there was a high feeling of hornyness… wanted to masturbate… may be a surge of free T for some reason!!!
The medicine as the doc said will cause nausea on waking up for a first few days. So long so good… nausea as expected and some spontaneous erections into the 4th day…
good luck with it.
thanks. just keeping a journal of events.
Had a first nocturnal erotic dream which almost led to a nocturnal emission. Didnt happen. Good nocturnal and morning wood. Headache and nausea continues now throughout the day except for a few hours in the morning when it subsides. Today morning it is yet to happen. But the level of nausea has gone down I believe since the mini crash. (mini because there was not much a high from where it fell down.)
From tomorrow I should start feeling little better as the doc had said. I am waiting for that. Still 10 days to go when I will meet my girlfriend back. Have to be a lot better by that time.
havent had a bout of hornyness today as of yet. Will post here if it is there coz i already had one when sleeping. Its kinda a cycle. one bout of hornyness and relief from nausea every day morning.
Pretty good day so far. Had a nice chick sitting front of me. Felt horny… spontaneous erection. Though not very strong erection quality, but worthy of an entry here could have had sex, the nausea cleared up even more. There is still some, and there is a variation on it, sometimes it clears up completely to come up again in half an hour or so. Sleep helps a lot… Any time of day… I need to have a T, E2 check up as soon as I am back. Need to see what level is good for me to feel good. 650 T and 35 E2 is my initial target from where I would like to even initiate into sex/ masturbation. But thats a tough level to achieve looking at the current levels. But I guess many things are still happening in the body, and may be it has not yet given up on recovering by itself.
Pretty better day. Nausea almost all gone, with remanants though… Havent had sex/ masturbation for a while so cant check the semen quality (watery or not). havent kissed a girl either so cant say if “it” will work when needed…
Had spontaneous erections 4-5 times throughout the day though the erections were weak… but still a progress somewhere…
due to travel, could have a proper sleep last night… nausea returned… have to be careful about sleep… was a lot energetic yesterday… not as much yet… may be it will improve as the day progresses. (11:30 AM here) … when nausea is not there, there are more spontaneous erections… I guess only when the nausea is not there, spontaneous erections occur… I dont know what to make of this correlation… My testicles are firm enough so I guess production of T is going on but its getting converted into E2… and when the conversion is less, there is less nausea and more erections…
I used to have headaches before taking finasteride upon waking up each morning too. Probably migraine. These had vanished during fina, as did oily skin and hairloss. After stopping, brainfog happened, which was like hell, within 12 days, brain fog vanished, migraine didnt comeback, oily skin did. Now its 7 days post starting this medicine, I have the similar headaches returning which were there pre finasteride… I cant say if its good or not… but atleast things are returning to normal.
Had good nocturnal erections, 2-3 dream sequences, about sex, my girlfriend, about things I thought during the day. upon waking up, I had one of the hardest erections since the mini crash, and they were as good as I was before mini- crash… back to something like 75-80%. Libido is like a curve, it comes and goes, sometimes I feel horny some times nothing… yesterday … I dont think there were many spontaneous erections though… today morning has been the best by far…depression has gone… feel good… can work without problem… will see if it keeps on improving without my putting any pressure on sexual organs… want to have a hormonal checkup to see if there are changes in the hormone levels too… But if I keep feeling good, I dont think I would do / need that. But I will have a one month check up to see if anything is happening… I can still have sex with my gf, problem being, 1) The erection is not the best, and after a few times there is numbness, 2) when I exert too much i suffer a mini crash… (5-6 ejaculations and 120 ml bacardi) have to avoid these things…
BTW m off sugar mostly (only some)
off caffiene (not even cold drinks)
off alcohol (this medicine requires me to be off alcohol)
off tamarind (usually put in all indian fast food and sauces- contra indicative to the medicine)
off any ciggerate (used to have half- one per day for the kick)
off most fried foods.
off milk (though take curd sometimes- the medicine is best taken with hot milk, but I dont take milk due to my allergy to milk)
But cannot be off grains (rice / wheat) - essential part of diet in India.
Being positive and reading only the recovery section again and again helps a lot. The member story section makes me feel bad and then worse. Should avoid reading others stories who are yet to recover.
have had the best erections since taking and quitting finasteride. Gives me a lot of confidence. Though i dont think I have had an increase in libido. But there are surges of libido here and there… but its nothing like pre fina times. The medicine certainly is having effect since it has increased blood flow as promised. But I will have to check if the hormones are any better.
I know what you’re avoiding, but what are you taking right now?
There are various herbs in India associated with Erectile Dysfunction in Ayurveda. This particular medicine is a mix of the abstracts of some of them. I dont know what all, but if you search for ED and ayurveda you will find many of them in a package for treating ED issues in 1-3 months time. Mostly the same herbal abstract mix is there in all the ayurvedic medicines.
BTW my update since last post is that, I had a strong urge to masterbate, and even though I had asked myself not to, I couldnt resist and the result was very low ejaculate with a 50-60% erection. There are times when erection are like 80-90% and then where there are none, its 10 days into the medicine and I have had only minor improvements in my symptoms. The testes are usually firm and hard as compared to my post mini crash when they used to oscillate between soft and firm… erections are still difficult to achieve… but its still early days into the medicine, I will be taking it for atleast 3 months and if the effects are visible then for another 3 months. else I would look into allopathy (dermacrine arimidex etc.) Libido is there and yesterday night was the first time since taking finasteride, that I was aroused by porn… and little manual stimulation caused a very good erection (not the best but still somewhere fuckable) which I could sustain for some time. But then there was a time when I would get erection with a girl alone in a room, and now I have to look at it after kissing whether the junior is going to wake up or not today! That sucks and sucks harder when i took only a 11 pills.
Its been 16 days that I am on this herbal medicine/ supplement whatever one may call. Though I have seen marked improvement in my sexual function, its kinda irregular. There are days when its really good, and I feel as if i am almost 85-90% and then there are days when its like 60 odd %. Libido is certainly there and I always kinda want to have sex, and have a constant urge to masturbate if I dont jerk off for 2 days. But if some days, the penis gets hard, there are days, when it doesnt… and another pattern is that I have started muscle training once again and the days when I do training, there are spontaneous erections and I get easily hard, and if i skip for 2 days, then it goes down considerably.
BTW started taking ZMA in an effort to reduce the estrogen by overloading on zinc. Taking 90mg zinc (from ZMA) at night before sleeping 2 hours after dinner. I can see that it will be difficult to maintain this. But lets see. I hope when I get my levels checked next time. The T is around 550-600 and E2 is <45.
I am getting concerned about semen volume now. It was good even during fina or post fina, but has reduced since this mini crash.
ED.
This is something I am not able to get rid off I guess very easily. was cuddling up my gf and were about to have sex, when my penis which was erect for sex, went down just in the time I could put on a condom. That sucks… Even though after that we had sex about 4-5 times… but everytime I had to struggle with the erection.
I always used to have pretty spontaneous erections on cuddling, porn etc. It sucks. M still thinking if I am lucky to atleast have sex without taking any allopathic medicine, when people are struggling even harder even after taking all the treatments in the world.
Another 10 days and I will go for a hormonal checkup to see if anything improved over the last month.
I always had moobs since my adolescence… and there was some fat around my belly, which never went even if I excercised hard… if I would lose weight, it would be more from muscle loss than fat loss.
makes me wonder if my baseline levels were already on the border line, and fina caused it to plummet. Even though they were good enough for normal sexual function, may be they werenot as high(low for E2) as T 750, E2 25. I can only guess that may be it was always 500 T and 35 E2 or so. Just vague prediction with no basis. But just a thought if we were already incapable of handling fina.
My doc also mentioned that healthy stomach is necessary for proper digestion, and proper liver function. Also drinking makes me go into a long hangover state (2-3 days now) Means my liver is not functioning properly, my body is not able to get the toxins out.
Now thinking of adding grape seed extract, and Amla extract. Grape seed and amla are both known for improving liver function, while grape seed is also an AI, Amla works as a laxative and improves digestion.
Actually I am getting tired of the hormonal stories and to correct them to treat our problem. How can one explain usage of this drug for years and not having any issue, usage for years and then having issue, usage for months and then having issue, and like me usage for only 10- 11 days and showing symptoms.
I believe there is much less to it than the theories posed by people here. The problem I believe will be somewhere else and our arrows are pointed somewhere else. I strongly believe there was some pre condition inside us not known to us, which got trigerred by fina/propecia at some point of time. I always used to have digestive problems, allergies to milk, bad stool, but normal sexual function, and I believe my liver had good role to play in it. I would have been poor all the time in liver part. and I was a moderate - heavy drinker for 2 years before taking the medicine. My liver function test shows High direct (conjugated) (over the range) (0.8 range <0.4) This is post fina. I have no baselines. But it seems my liver is having issues to clear up the system, and my whole clearance mechanism is ill. My body is not able to work as it should, and probably working up the liver can help some of us out of this. trying to work up the hormones wont work obviously if the liver is still not able to clear them.
Starting tomorrow, I am going to take (along with my ZMA and herbal concoction) digestives, liver cleansers, vitamin C, and by weekend i ll have my stock of grape seed extract and Amla extract as well.
Lets see how it improves.
At this point of time, I am having good nocturnals and morning wood. though I have some problems with sugar, when I take some of it, next day nocturnals are poorer, and also I feel more thirsty, may be going through a glycemic roller coaster, might check up for diabetes in some time to come. Spontaneous Erections do come but irregularly. Porn still has no effect. Erections are usually good with GF, but not without issues.
Another thing I dont get is about zinc. I have started taking zinc and since then my digestive system has gone for a toss. dark colored stool, and thin… anyways the question is if zinc is also a dht blocker then should it really be taken. wont it affect us pfs people the same way fina did!!!
Hmmm, I believe my erections are getting stronger by the day, and my response to porn is better, only little stimulation gets it hard enough to have sex. But I guess libido is stuck at somewhere around 40-50%. Erections are like 85%. I see that even when well erect, the length and girth have not regained to pre fina levels.
I am taking my 400 odd T levels as the baseline now and I hope to get it around 550. Fine. But my main enemy is estrogen. And I hope to reduce it to 30 odd from 57 tested last. I am overlaoding on zinc, have started resveratrol, have started liver cleansing by taking antioxidants in a hope to allow liver to filter out E2 as fast as possible.
I saw somewhere that people with 190 odd T levels felt fine sexually since they had low SHBG which allowed them higher Free t. Also he had low E2. So I believe reducing E2 substantially should make me feel better. This will allow more Free T to be available as well. Also My body temp is pretty low, and its a direct symptom (of Hypo Thyroid like symptoms) caused (masked) by E2 dominance. Will have a full hormone profile done next time I get it tested somewhere end of this month or next month beginning (though I have heard that under E2 dominance, it is highly possible that TSH, T3 T4 will come in normal values). It all costs too much. Lets see where it all ends.
At this moment, my gf says she is satisfied with me and we have proper(debatable) sex (2-4 times a night once a week), so it gives me time to not to panic since that is one of my aim at the moment - not to lose her because of ffffing Finasteride.
Its been a while since i posted, and much reason is that, I was getting better and better with each passing day. I had stopped taking any supplements in march (i took 2-3 types for a total of 45 days or so may be not enough but not enough money with me). Since march till july first week, things were all fine and improving with good libido and response to porn getting better. In may and June I had normal nocturnal and morning erections But just a few days ago I was down with Viral fever and I took nicip plus(nimesulide and paracetamol), it helped me a lot with fever but i took it for 4 days straight and within the 2nd day I noticed my morning erections softening. By 4th day I lost it. though I have a hunger for sex always, yesterday when me and my gf were being intimate, and we were having sex suddenly there some distraction and the erection dropped, and there was no desire for sex for another hour, and we had to work hard to get it up again. I also noticed during my initial PFS days I always used to climax in under 2-3 minutes, whle by may/ june I could last for 20-30 minutes sometimes even more before climaxing and even after was ready to go. Yesterday again I had kinda premature climaxing (under 5 minutes for sure both times).
BTW I had also started kidney stone medicine after I found (painfully) renal stone in one of my kidney. But I dont think that played a role here, it must be the NSAID which is so taxing on the liver. I am distraught, that more than 70% of my recovery is lost. I want my morning erections back to feel any good/ confident.
Is PFS majorly taxing of adrenals / liver/ some other organ mainly - I wonder!