Got my blood results today 7/11

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Hi, I took Finasteride 15 years ago and stopped a year later. Ever since I have symptoms of PFS. Yet I can not tell if these are still finasteride related since my gut is pretty messed up and a elemental diet 3 months ago cured 70% of my mental problems for a few days. But all came back.

My biggest issues are mental. And they make me crazy. Brain fog, problems finding words, slow thinking, pretty much no short time memory, unorganized, disconnected from me and others, bad anxiety etc.

Weird thing is, all of these things started and intensed in 2012 after a bad trip on cannabis. Landed in hospital and the doc gave me a pill that stopped the trip within minutes. Yesterday I found out that it probably was benzo. Not sure but I read that people stop their trips with benzo. Maybe that messed up something in my brain? I live every day like I am in a dream. Does not feel real. And as if I am drunk all day. And bruxism started after that trip.

Ever since I lost my personality, sense of self, became socially anxious etc. Confronting these fears never change anything. There is mentally something damaged. I can not describe it but I am So disconnected from everything. From the here and now. I can not plan anything in my life anymore. As I said, these things got better on a diet. So it might be gut related.

In terms of sexuality, my libido was always low after fin. I have had times where it rages. But in general it’s low. I think it is connected to my brain issues because I can not stop thinking and just relax. When I am relaxed, my libido comes back. My prostate feels chronic inflammated since I stopped fin. Docs check my prostate and say there is something wrong but they can not find anything.

Whatever. I took and still take so many supplements. But six days ago I started taking 10mg pregnenolone and 50mg dhea and my libido came back as hell. I was so damn horny. And my errection was rock hard. Yesterday it went down again because I live so much in my head and think all day and night. Still it’s better. I feel a connection to my penis and seeing nice woman makes me sexually turned on.

I was and am sure I have adrenal fatigue because of that bad trip in 2012 wich lead to chronic stress or ptsd. Also maybe these benzos damaged something in my brain. That’s why (adrenal fatigue) I started taking pregnenolone and dhea. and I think finasteride causes adrenal fatigue.

Whatever. Just got the results from my blood check for pfs back and the results were suprising. These were tested 4 weeks after I stopped all supplements. And pregnenolone and dhea I started after taking blood.

My DHT level is sky high. What a suprise. Testosteron as well. Also Gaba is way too high. Only progesterone is on the low side. Estrogen is okish. Thought it will be high. Dhea-s is also a bit low. So what you guys think about these results? I am 38 and did never take any hormones before pregnenolone and dhea.

Worth a try to take progesterone as well? Or what can help with my brain issues? Might gaba receptors be low and is that why gaba is so high? Makes no sense to me? Also if gaba is that high, why am I so anxious?

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#2

Reading through your bloods (im not doctor just my advice) your test, oestrogen and dht seem in a really good position.

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#3

I wonder if this is good or is there another “your dht level looks good but…”

I gave me two B12 injections the last 2 days and my brain improved again incredibly. I think I have huge deficiencies due to malabsorption.

#4

your androgen levels are good. but not sky high. its normal to have 10% of your T as DHT. Estradiol midrange. Cortisol low, thats nice too.
Progesterone too low…might explain anxiety. Testing for Serotonin in blood makes no sense as the passage blood / brain is different.
Your Test lacks free T or at least Albumin and SHBG so free T can be calulated - its most important.

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#5

I got tested positive for HPU. Maybe that explains some things.

#6

I remember that shortly after starting Finasteride in 2004 my best friend asked me why my speaking is so strange and why I talk in single words. My ability to build sentences just disappeared. And it never came back. Of course I cant tell if it is really from Fin. Nowadays I also have problems with talking fluid. Very slow thinking. Hard times to explain what I want. And that triggers shame. Wich then makes it more difficult to talk.

Could this be fin related? Is it worth to see a neurologist? Or is it simply permanent damaged?

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#7

Maybe you could ask for a brain test and memory tests.

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#8

What was your diet? Have you tried carnivore? It may help with the mental sides. (Read Ozeph’s story)
I got banned because i suggested carnivore diet to people… now im afraid to write anything about it. It has prooven benefits on human body (google search any article) and is a thing which all natural… but here you go.

I really wonder where were these bans when people recommended me to take androgenic supplements and i ended up worse… all i can see is reported improvements with this diet. Again, i don’t take any responsibility and just giving an opinion.

#9

@Cooper, you seem to not see the double standard in being temporarily suspended for recommending a person undertake a treatment you had benefits from and then decrying the mod team for not being there when someone pushed a treatment that caused you harm under the same circumstances. The rules are very clear that members should only describe their experience with undertaking any treatment, and not prescribe or recommend it. Apologies if something slipped through that caused you harm. We are not an all-seeing eye and posts as you describe can be flagged by members for us to review.

Action will be taken again if you continue to recommend any diet, drug, or supplement to another member. If you read others having success from some treatment, then benefit if you decide to try it yourself, then you are more than welcome to share that. Do NOT tell any person here that they should try ANY treatment. Period.

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#10

@anon73159565 based on what I can tell, I really don’t think your issues are hormone related. There’s another cause to your issues as far as I know. Maybe fin messed up something else, but with what I can tell I don’t think your issues are hormonal.

Could have messed up your neurotransmitters but I don’t know if there’s a measurement for that.

#11

@RR3 Yes my main problems are mentally. I´ve read often times that it messes up the Gaba system. I started taking BPC 157 today. Some people repaired their neurotransmitter damage with that stuff. And some say that BPC destroyed their dopamine system… I mean, I really have nothing more to lose. I lost my life with 16, when I decided to take Accutane. I never had a chance to live my teenager and adult years…

I am 38 and still trying to live the stuff I should have lived with 16. Banging as many chicks as a I can. What I can´t, because Accutane and later even more -> Fin gave me social anxiety. So I see hookers twice a week. Wich is not joyful anymore.

And then there is the libido thing. I mean, sometimes its ok and I can get horny 2-3 times a day. But sometimes I dont feel any need for an orgasm for 2-3 weeks.

My life is a joke. I never had any goals in life because all I can think of is to relive the stuff that I missed out in my teenager times. And after taking accutane, my libido was already weak. And with 24, after Fin, I lost all interest in sex and women. Yet there is this pusher inside of me that wants me to have sex with hundreds of woman. Wich makes no sense. But it has all the power over me and destroyed my health and life.

Meh, sorry. Bad day today…

EDIT: Btw. 3 weeks ago I took 25mg DHEA and 10mg Pregnenolone for 2 weeks. Men, I was god damn horny 24/7. Usually I was on a no-fap diet for over 1 year now. But I had to do it. On one day I masturbated 4 times because I could not handle it anymore.

I know lots of you guys here had no success with it. I think I have had pretty bad Adrenal Fatigue, wich DHEA and Pregnenolone helped me so much with it. It gave me so much energy and somehow a bit of my life back. I stopped last week because I read you should be on off. And this week I had pretty much no libido. I will start my 2nd round tomorrow and hope it will improve things again.

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#12

So I am treating my hpu with the following supplements for 2 weeks now:

p5p 50mg
Zinc 30mg
Manganese 5mg
Active Vitamine B Complex
Magnesium
Selenium
Every 2-3 days copper 2mg

Sexually I was really ok the last 1 year. I had morning wood and spontane erections. 4 weeks ago I was even too horny. Had to masturbate even if I am on no fap for 1+ year. Especially after ı took pregnenolone and dhea I felt sexually fully recovered. Even my semen changed 4 weeks ago. It was thick and way more.

So, ever since I take these supplements, my libido is zero. Not much morning wood. No sexual thoughts etc. I dont even feel the need to fap when I watch porn.

I wonder what causes this?

I will get off these for 2-3 days and add them one by one again. But its really strange.

I can not imagine it’s from zinc?

Also pregnenolone and dhea should not be the reason because I cycle them. 2 weeks on 1 week off. And the first 2 weeks I took them, as I said, I felt sexually fully recovered.

Edit: what was strange last week was, I was recovered mentally for 5 days. I could not believe how different my life and personality was. I was in the here and now. No more foggy thinking, anxiety, problems with talking etc. In saturday it gone back to the old me. I thought I have brain damage. But that showed me, there is just something missing.

Might ve dopamine or gaba problems.

Edit: ahh forgot to mention. Can excercising decrease Libido? I started 3 weeks ago and have the feeling that the libido is gone since then.

#13

Zinc really fucked me up, I believe it was the cause of my initial crash, are you taking copper too ? You will deplete your copper if you only take zinc. But don’t take them together because they compete and zinc will always win.

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I am off Zinc for 5 days now and my libido starts coming back. Yet I wont believe Zinc can cause this? I mean its elemental. I also took a b-complex wich I am off for 6 days. My daily headaches stopped. I thought my body accepts this b-complex. But nope, no single on I tried my body accepted. I guess it is the Vit. B1 wich makes problems with histamine intolerance. I go on with p5p and it helps me mentally.

Yes I take Copper as well. First I was taking 30mg elemental zinc in the morning and 2mg copper at night. But after a while I stopped copper even though I am sure I am defficient.

Now I only take copper every 3-4 days because I have histamine intolerance and to built DAO copper and B6 is needed.

When my libido recovers, I will try zinc one more time because I need it because of my HPU.

But it was really weird the last 3 weeks because even though my libido was always weak, I never had problems to get a good erection. But the last 3 weeks I could not get a proper erection. I had sex 2 times and twice it was a 50-60% erection. I had no more morning wood or spontaneous erections. I was watching porn and did not felt any need to masturbate. Now its slightly coming back and I start to desire having sex again.

Before all this I felt recovered for 1-2 weeks. Because my semen volume and color changed. It was thick, white/creamy and lot more than usual. I also needed at least one orgasm a day.

#15

Man we’re similar in more ways than one! Now this is purely guesswork on my part but I always argued that many of us with dysfunctional libido tend to have imbalanced T:E2 & E2:DHT (check my thread).

In your particular case, your E2 was borderline low (22 pg/mL) while your DHT is high. Zinc is known to be an aromatase inhibitor especially in high doses. B-Vitamins also kill E2. This causes a shift in your T:E2 and the symptoms are usually low libido, anxiety, social fear, mental problems, depression & even gastrointestinal problems.

Zinc may be beneficial for those with deficiency and high E2. I suspect DHEA is helping in your case because it’s believed that it may raise E2 in Men when taken in high doses.

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#16

Interesting theory @doomed80

My libido is back. Morning wood, spontaneous erections and I start to get turned on by woman again. Today not that much because I was deep depressed (winter/cold/rainy/windy). But last 2 days were good and I had to fight hard to not fap (I try/do nofap for a year now).

I took one zinc capsule 3 days ago and it had no side effect. I think when I take it twice a week, it could be ok. Of course I can´t tell if it really was the zinc, manganese or b-vitamins. But I never had that weak erections besides when I was on Proscar. I´ve seen a girl 10 days ago who always gave me a 100% boner. That time was 60% and she also said “wtf is with you”.

Yet I will give zinc another 7-10 days daily try and see if it was from zinc or b-vitamins.

I wonder if I should try Progesterone? Since its very low in the test. Or can it mess things up again? I am not sure what function progesterone has in a mans body. But it is recommend if you have adrenal fatigue. What we PFS people have. Also hydrocortison 20-50mg daily is recommended with adrenal fatigue.

#17

Many people used vitamin B complex and got worse.

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#18

What I mean with HPU is this guys -> https://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/blog/pyroluria-a-hidden-cause-of-addictions-adhd-anxiety-and-other-afflictions/

I guess it’s not called HPU in English. But maybe it’s a thing that people with pfs should consider to get checked for.